Impeachment?

[iris lilies]

I don't think I've ever defended Trump, personally I think he's an ass. What I will defend is fairness and I'll always attempt to counter the goofy stuff some of you come up with. And as an aside, being conservative is apparently an ideology beyond your reckoning. It has nothing to do with supporting a particular politician.

I wish our current President was a conservative.

But then maybe not because – what if he was an ass and also conservative, i.e. steering the ship according to conservative principles? But then, if he was doing that he wouldn’t be an ass. So I talked myself out of this idea.

[Alan]

Likely, yes, IL, but look at it this way. Would you want to be President if half the country supported your being kicked to the curb? Rob

In your lifetime, what Republican President haven't you and Democrats at large wanted to kick to the curb?

[iris lilies]

Likely, yes, IL, but look at it this way. Would you want to be President if half the country supported your being kicked to the curb? Rob

Barak Obama was elected with only 51% of the vote, one more percentage point.

Should he have turned down the presidency on that basis?

obama’s 12th quarter approval rating on the Gallup poll is the same as President Trump’s 12 quarter approval rating: 43%

https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/...ald-trump.aspx


Should Republicans have been scouring the earth to find reasons to impeach President Obama?

Numbers can be a problem if you don’t relate them to something to provide meaning.

[gimmethesimplelife]

In your lifetime, what Republican President haven't you and Democrats at large wanted to kick to the curb?

I actually liked Reagan when I was very young until I understood how evil his policies were for the Underclass. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I don't think I've ever defended Trump, personally I think he's an ass. What I will defend is fairness and I'll always attempt to counter the goofy stuff some of you come up with. And as an aside, being conservative is apparently an ideology beyond your reckoning. It has nothing to do with supporting a particular politician.

Thank You, Alan. I can respect you for the fact that you are willing to publicly admit that Donald J Trump is an ass. Just curious, what is about him and/or his actions that made that clear to you? Rob

[Alan]

Thank You, Alan. I can respect you for the fact that you are willing to publicly admit that Donald J Trump is an ass. Just curious, what is about him and/or his actions that made that clear to you? Rob

He thinks more of himself than Obama did, and I didn't think that was possible. But remember, being an ass doesn't mean everything he does is bad.

[LDAHL]

To be fair, conservatives argue a lot among themselves about what it means to be a conservative. You find a lot of lively debates in the pages of National Review about various aspects of what the proper conservative position should be on any number of issues. They ran an “Against Trump” issue back before the last election that outlined a number of objections to calling him a conservative.

I have found it more difficult in recent years to think of the GOP as a purely Conservative party. They seem to be more like what the Democrats have been since Jackson: more a collection of interest groups and ethnic identity groups than a party built around a cohesive political philosophy.

But I suppose the other side is going through much the same thing, with the socialist wing contesting with the “moderates” for control. They also need to reconcile all those race/gender/class-based ideologies and a virulent cancel culture.

I don’t think it’s easy for anyone right now except the outrage addicts on both sides.

[catherine]

In your lifetime, what Republican President haven't you and Democrats at large wanted to kick to the curb?

Going back through my lifetime:
Eisenhower, I was too young to judge at the time, but I would have liked him. He wasn't afraid to raise taxes and try to balance the budget, unlike other Republicans, and he coined the term military-industrial complex in order to warn us about its dangers--a warning we have yet to heed and therefore we do, in fact suffer under its undue influence half a century later.

Nixon--well, he kicked himself to the curb

Reagan--He was charming and witty as he sold us on the myth of trickle-down economics. I didn't want to kick him to the curb, despite his oversight of the ballooning of the national debt. At least I believe he was a fundamentally decent human being.

Bush 41--Again, he didn't represent my politics, but Democrats didn't have to kick him to the curb--- he did himself in by the end of his first term

Bush 43--Well, what can I say about a man who started a war under false pretenses and allowed the financial industry to build a house of cards that took a big chunk of prosperity and stability right out of the back end of the early years of the millennium. But even with that said, he didn't come across as pathological.

So, for me, Trump really is the one who's the scariest. I find CNN's relentless mission to get rid of him before 2020 very tiresome, and the Democrats mission to impeach him misguided, but I can't say I wouldn't love to see him kicked to the curb.


ETA: I really would have liked Teddy Roosevelt. He was a progressive Republican, and his love for nature and his achievements as a conservationist were directly in contrast to the policies of our president who would sell out the whole planet for 30 pieces of silver.

[gimmethesimplelife]

He thinks more of himself than Obama did, and I didn't think that was possible. But remember, being an ass doesn't mean everything he does is bad.

It's interesting to me how different people can have such widely divergent takes. I didn't perceive Obama as thinking a lot of himself....I saw a man with his ego in check for the most part. I don't see such in Donald J Trump. Rob

[Teacher Terry]

Obama was confident.