Government Coup

[Rogar]

I don't think that was actual 'News', but rather a celebration of bluster.

I first became aware of Greenland's importance to the US back in the early 70's when people in my military career field were routinely being sent to Thule Greenland on 89 day temporary duty assignments (TDY). Luckily we've had agreements with Greenland in place for quite some time to act as host to a US military presence to act as early warning and first line of defense against bad actors in greater Europe and Asia. Other 'News' sources might tell you that some of those bad actors have designs on Greenland as well in order to neutralize the US advantage which has caused every administration in recent history to consider ways to strengthen the US presence there. I guess which version of 'News' you prefer is up to you.

Perhaps it was read out of context by the news or the exact quote was mis-interpreted. I suspect his motives are far deeper, anyway, and he was just whining. Since Greenland appears to have offered the U.S. every military intervention possible short of total ownership and control, I pretty much don't get it. However, I'd lean to the control of Greenlands minerals much like it is Venezuelan oil. Or delusions of global domination. I think one of Trumps cabinet said it was creating a crisis to prevent a crisis? I'm surprised he didn't go after Cuba net to reward Marco for being a good servant. But that may be next, although they lack natural resources to pillage.

In a text message to Norway’s leader on Sunday, President Trump said that one reason behind his push to acquire Greenland is that he didn’t win the Nobel Peace Prize. In his message, which was released by the Norwegian prime minister’s office, Mr. Trump also questioned Denmark’s centuries-old claim to the island and repeated his demand for “Complete and Total Control” of it.

[kib]

yes the Russian and Chinese bots operating on our psyches are awful, and now add in our leaders who are falling into that same trap and egging their followers on.

And like all instigators, they are all old men at the top who will sit comfortably behind their desks while their minions are harmed by the chaos and possible violent mayhem.

Yup.

At this point I'm not really sure who or what is driving and shaping these narratives. How much is a matter of a manipulated perspective on events that matter, how much of it is spun out of nowhere? Days when I think the world truly is falling apart, days when I think 95% of this is just spat out to intentionally upset and confuse and distract. How foolish would I be to believe it? On the other hand, how vulnerable would I make myself to disregard it? I feel like I'm living in The Matrix.

[Tybee]

The problem is real things are happening to real people, right now. You see the evidence with your own eyes.

[kib]

The problem is real things are happening to real people, right now. You see the evidence with your own eyes.

Not to be contentious, but that's the whole point. I CAN'T. I can see terrible media images that fill me with compassion, outrage, fear, disgust. I can go out my door and see people protesting or participate in that, and see a police presence that's disturbing, with my own eyes. But for nearly all of us, nearly all the time, what we're being fed is digital information, and in this brave new world, there's very little way to vet these reports and images. I'm not saying they're not happening. I'm not much for sticking my head in the sand. I'm saying AI is making it impossible to trust what I'm being fed. I look at the discussion of Renee Good *right here*, and see people arguing over what "their own eyes" are telling them. I've seen impressive protest photos that on very close inspection Are Not Real. While I'm not a denier, I also don't want to jump at dog whistles from my own side of the aisle.

[Tybee]

Not to be contentious, but that's the whole point. I CAN'T. I can see terrible media images that fill me with compassion, outrage, fear, disgust. I can go out my door and see people protesting or participate in that, and see a police presence that's disturbing, with my own eyes. But for nearly all of us, nearly all the time, what we're being fed is digital information, and in this brave new world, there's very little way to vet these reports and images. I'm not saying they're not happening. I'm not much for sticking my head in the sand. I'm saying AI is making it impossible to trust what I'm being fed. I look at the discussion of Renee Good *right here*, and see people arguing over what "their own eyes" are telling them. I've seen impressive protest photos that on very close inspection Are Not Real. While I'm not a denier, I also don't want to jump at dog whistles from my own side of the aisle.

Beware lest your skepticism turn into solipsism.

[frugal-one]

I am very disheartened. Just came home after talking to Canadian friends who just put their place up for sale. I can’t say I blame them. trump talking about taking Greenland by force, disengaging with our allies, and whack job talk of making Canada a US state. Canada stating they will attack the US if force is used in Greenland is justifiable because they are defending their NATO ally. These people would be unable to sell their place later or may even be considered a political prisoner. How did we get to this place where our friends and neighbors are fearful of our government? Many are being rounded up by masked unidentifiable thugs like animals under the guise of being for the good of all…reminiscent of Hitler’s gestapo rounding up the jews. This country, under this “leadership” makes me ashamed to be an American. The sad thing is I don’t know what I can do about it except protest in the streets!

[Tybee]

The school where my grandchildren go is going to talk to the children about ICE this week. They have been sending notifications to the parents. They said they will go to remote classes at home if things start to happen in the area. They have had that system in place because they had to use in during Covid.

[Tradd]

Not to be contentious, but that's the whole point. I CAN'T. I can see terrible media images that fill me with compassion, outrage, fear, disgust. I can go out my door and see people protesting or participate in that, and see a police presence that's disturbing, with my own eyes. But for nearly all of us, nearly all the time, what we're being fed is digital information, and in this brave new world, there's very little way to vet these reports and images. I'm not saying they're not happening. I'm not much for sticking my head in the sand. I'm saying AI is making it impossible to trust what I'm being fed. I look at the discussion of Renee Good *right here*, and see people arguing over what "their own eyes" are telling them. I've seen impressive protest photos that on very close inspection Are Not Real. While I'm not a denier, I also don't want to jump at dog whistles from my own side of the aisle.

So all the people on my local Chicago area and Illinois sub Reddits are making up the videos that they’re posting?

[bae]

So, with my own lying eyes, I've seen the Íslendingabók, written by Ari Thorgilsson, in the early 12th Century. You can see it with your own lying eyes at the Árni Magnússon Institute for Icelandic Studies in Reykjavík if your are so motivated. I can recommend some good coffee places nearby if you wish.

6. Frá Grænlands byggð.
Land þat, er kallat er Grænland, fannst ok byggðist af Íslandi.

Eiríkr inn rauði hét maðr breiðfirzkr, er fór út heðan þangat ok nam þar land, er síðan er kallaðr Eiríksfjörðr. Hann gaf nafn landinu ok kallaði Grænland ok kvað menn þat mundu fýsa þangat farar, at landit ætti nafn gott. Þeir fundu þar manna vistir bæði austr ok vestr á landi ok keiplabrot ok steinsmíði þat, er af því má skilja, at þar hafði þess konar þjóð farit, er Vínland hefir byggt ok Grænlendingar kalla Skrælingja. En þat var, er hann tók byggva landit, fjórtán vetrum eða fimmtán fyrr en kristni kæmi hér á Ísland, at því er sá talði fyr Þorkeli Gellissyni á Grænlandi, er sjálfr fylgði Eiríki inum rauða út.

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Chapter 6 — On the Settlement of Greenland
The land which is called Greenland was discovered and settled from Iceland.

There was a man named Erik the Red, from Breiðafjörður, who travelled from here to that land and claimed territory there which was later called Erik’s Fjord. He gave the land a name and called it Greenland, saying that people would be more eager to travel there if the land had a good name.

They found there traces of human habitation both to the east and to the west of the land, as well as fragments of skin boats and worked stone, from which one could tell that people of that kind had travelled there—the same people who settled Vinland and whom the Greenlanders call Skrælings.

And when he began to settle the land, it was fourteen or fifteen winters before Christianity came to Iceland, according to what he himself told Þorkell Gellisson, who followed Erik the Red out to Greenland.

[Rogar]

DJT's version:


Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also.