Why O won and R lost?

[The Storyteller]

And Karl Rove's election night meltdown when Fox called the election for Obama...

[Zoebird]

I don't really consider that a meltdown.

[Zoebird]

This link is the one I find offensive from Fox News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=kFcAzIWOHpU#!

It's bill o'reilly claiming that people who vote for obama want "stuff" and will vote for "stuff." Hispanics "want stuff" and so do blacks and women apparently.

It couldn't possibly be because we don't agree with the theocon and neocon agendas (white male establishment?!), or that we don't think that the current process that the republicans have been utilizing in congress to stymie any forward progress could be part of the problem, or that we simply think that this man would make a better president for our nation?

No, we're ignorant gits who want "stuff." And if we were smart, and were willing to work for our own "stuff" then of course we would vote mitt romney!

[bae]

No, we're ignorant gits who want "stuff."

Just as those who oppose Obama's policies are cast as angry fat racist white guys.

It's so wonderful the way we can all avoid working together, isn't it?

[Zoebird]

If republicans want to know why they are messing up, they need to look at people like Bill O'Reilly there.

I can't believe he just categorized my reproductive freedom (a natural right that is inherently protected by the constitution) as "wanting stuff."

Yeah, i ****ing want "stuff." The "stuff" that I want is my natural rights protected.

[Zoebird]

Bae, please post a statement from one of the liberal media outlets where a major news anchor/opinion show person is calling anyone voting for romney as a person who is a racist white guy, and we'll have a discussion.

I am not including what I call "pure" entertainers such as comedians like Jeanine Garofolo. I think that Stewart and COlbert do some decent skewering, but I'm not sure if they've ever used those statements per se. I would even put someone like Rush into this category, honestly, because his claims are so outlandish these days (in my opinion anyway). I also don't consider 700 club-related folk to be real news either, so I cast that as religious entertainment.

But this statement from a prominent fox news person cannot be denied as being very ugly.

[Zoebird]

Or, should O'Reilly be put into the same category as Rush, et al? Just. . . he's there to be entertaining?

[bae]

Bae, please post a statement from ...

No thanks, Zoebird. I don't participate in the circus that is modern media. Nor in my statement that you are taking issue with did I point a finger at any particular source.

So I guess you and I won't be having any discussions.

[Zoebird]

I'm looking for the demographic break down of election returns, but I recall it noting that the majority of Romney supporters were white, males over 30 who were more likely to live rurally. This does not indicate, though, that they are racist. Only that they are white guys who live rurally (i don't assume them to be racist).

According to this article from Slate, 59% of white voters (men and women) voted for Romney, which made up 88% of the people who voted for him.

It doesn't say whether or not they are racist, either -- and I don't make that assumption.

But, I would say that characterizing republicans as "white guys" isn't that far off, really. I mean, it's fair, since 88% of the people who voted republican (or for this republican candidate) where white (men and women).

According to this forbes article, 72% of voters were white, with 61% of white males voting romney and 55% white females voting for him. Which means that, overwhelmingly, republicans are white people.

So, other than the accusation of racism, it's really not that far off. Republicans are overwhelmingly white people.

[The Storyteller]

I don't really consider that a meltdown.

I would. The guy was in complete denial. To the point where he was dissing Fox's own numbers people, as if he knew more about what was going on than they did. And refused to even except it, even though the polls had pointed to this result for weeks and weeks. To the point the anchor woman had to do this long trek to another part of the building to get the skinny from the numbers guys before he would accept it.

It was like he started to believe his own spin. "So is this arithmetic you do to make yourself feel better as a Republican?" Freaking hilarious.

I watched this bit live, by the way. I never watch Fox, but once PBS called it for Obama, I switched to MSNBC to see the happy people, then to Fox just in time to watch this masterpiece of self deception. I was on the floor. Really.