So you think you know the 2nd Amendment

[Spartana]

The crime is heinous indeed. The gun however was not the moral actor.

"A drunk driver with his children in the car drives on the wrong side of the road killing four" (yesterday). A speeding car crashes, cutting the car completely in half and killing the man's 2 sons - 13 and 11 - and injuring him" (yesterday).... well, I could go on and on and on with each more gruesome then the next. I blame the drivers. The police blame the drivers. The community and society blame the drivers. No one blames the vehicle. No one wants to ban either it or alcolhol. As a matter of fact many states are legallizing yet another intoxicant - pot - so how many people will drive stoned and take out a few kids in a horrific accident on their way to get munchies? Fix the problem with drunk, reckless, speeding and distracted drivers, don't ban the vehicles. Same with firearms.

[bae]

And Spartana - we seem to have a culture that tolerates catch-and-release for drunk drivers.

[freein05]

I again go back to the individual. We need less gun owners. I think many of us agree it is not the weapon. Is society willing to restrict 2nd amendment rights to people who have mental problems or other problems.

[Spartana]

And Spartana - we seem to have a culture that tolerates catch-and-release for drunk drivers.

And over 1,000 kids under age 14 are killed by drunken drivers each year (and many more if you count deaths by reckless drivers) - generally while riding in their intoxicated parents car. Yer we fine the drunken or reckless or distracted driver and send them on their merry way. Driving off into the sunset!

[bae]

Is society willing to restrict 2nd amendment rights to people who have mental problems or other problems.

We do already. I believe I mentioned some of the specifics previously in this thread, or the other. We're just not very good at it. Connecticut failed to pass a bill that would have helped things perhaps, just shortly before these recent shootings, but the bill was shot down due to privacy/civil liberties concerns.

[Spartana]

I again go back to the individual. We need less gun owners. I think many of us agree it is not the weapon. Is society willing to restrict 2nd amendment rights to people who have mental problems or other problems.

But will fewer gun owners make a difference if they are all either the "bad" gun owners (thise who commit these kind of crimes) or all "good" owners - those who have never done anything wrong, and will never do anything wrong, with a firearm? I'd rather have 300 million "good and safe and sane" gun owners then even one "bad and crazy and criminal" gun owner. And that's why I support more gun regulations and requirements to purchase, own and use firearms to weed out those "bad" gun owners but do not support banning guns.Because to me, it is the "bad" gun owner that is the problem, not the gun or type of gun.

[Alan]

I again go back to the individual. We need less gun owners. I think many of us agree it is not the weapon. Is society willing to restrict 2nd amendment rights to people who have mental problems or other problems.

We already do.

[gimmethesimplelife]

We already do.

Given the recent shootings in CT and elsewhere, would you agree that we as a society are not doing a very good job of this? Me thinks there are families in CT, OR, PA and now NY that would agree with this.....

[freein05]

We already do.

The laws are not effective or not drafted properly because we continue to have nut cases and bad guys kill with guns. I say again bad guys in most cases don't buy guns they steal them from people who have not stored them properly. Should people who do not store their weapons properly be punished if their weapons are used in a crime. I say yes.

[gimmethesimplelife]

The laws are not effective or not drafted properly because we continue to have nut cases and bad guys kill with guns. I say again bad guys in most cases don't buy guns they steal them from people who not stored them properly. Should people who do not store their weapons properly be punished if their weapons are used in a crime. I say yes.

+1 Rob