Gabby Giffords Gun Violence Initiative

[gimmethesimplelife]

Gosh, what a poor way to craft policy.

Let's just *do something*, *now*, for the children....

We can sort out if it actually works, if we can afford it, if it causes more problems than it is worth, or if it impedes the freedoms of others later! Well, unless American Idol comes on, then we'll all just go watch that!

:-)

I'll ask you, Rob, what have you, personally, done about this event? I have attended two active shooting seminars at a regional law enforcement training facility, and worked with our local law enforcement/emergency services/schools to do training/planning drills on-site here, joined the local fire department and am undergoing my firefighter/emt training.

See what I mean about this society being a poor fit for me? For me personally, the lives of the children lost in the Sandy Hook incident are more important than the rights of citizens to bear arms. This one I am afraid is set in stone for me.....ever since I saw my father pull a gun on my mother in a drunken rage in 1977. I don't know which embarrasses me more - the gun culture in the US or the lack of socialized medicine.....it's becoming a tie for me these days. So if nothing else, you can see how this society might be an ill fit for those who think like me then perhaps. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Well Rob if I remember correctly one of the places you were thinking about going was Mexico. I think they have very restricitve gun laws so hopefully you can live there without any gun issues to worry about.

Also Chile, Uruguay, and a few other places. There are issues in Mexico with guns - but the deal is most of the guns come from the US!!!!! Rob

[bUU]

Reasonable people attempt to write laws to produce a given outcome (ie reduce gun crime). Unreasonable people write laws due to fear, paranoia and ignorance of the facts and ignore the negative consequences of the laws they are attempting to pass.

And it is outrageously offensive for you to claim that there aren't reasonable people who see the facts of the matter directly contrary to you do.

Same facts, different perspectives; different conclusion. This is the reality that you're working so incredibly hard to evade, dodge, deny, etc.

Well, I was trying to understand what you want to and why.

With respect, I don't get that impression and as a result surely won't be willing to spend a lot of time doing what is essentially pointless busy work on your order.

Some differences of opinion are reasonable.

But you don't get to determine which are which, especially in this case where I've seen personally that you don't seem inclined to see things from a perspective which would undercut what you would prefer.

[Midwest]

Actually, the majority of the guns in Mexico don't come from the US http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

That's the problem with idealogues make policy and misrepresenting the facts.

[bae]

But I wonder if staying is indeed akin to condoning them in a way.

Rob -

I don't think you are "condoning" anything by continuing to live in the USA. To seriously hold that position would drive a person insane, IMHO - society will always be engaging in activities you find morally repulsive, and you won't be able to stop them all, or to avoid participating in some small ways.

I was born at a given time and place and made a citizen without any choice of my own. I have to live someplace and at this moment it is here. So as far as it is within my power I try to live in peace. Live simply, as best you can manage do not engage in activities that support evil, and do not neglect your neighbors, or the stranger, or the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the innocent. Do what you can, to the best of your ability, and don't go insane.

[bUU]

I'm not sure what that means.

The word "except" wasn't supposed to be there. I was going to word things as the negative of the converse of what I wrote, and then changed the wording to be simpler but left the extraneous word there.

I keep hearing about 30 round magazines being the enemy. I think this is not based on reason.

And you're entitled to your opinion, and only as much respect for your opinion as you're willing to give the people who disagree with you. (Again, it sucks that you've basically force the tenor of the discussion that such replies are the only replies that make sense to provide you.)

it takes just about a second to reload, without practice it takes maybe 2 or 3 seconds.

Thank you for admitting at least that much.

I haven't read Assembly Bill 48 in California

I might have the citation wrong. I'm doing this from memory. It was in the news yesterday I think. You'll have to just go on the description provided, because I'm not going to waste time providing you details that I have no reason to believe that you'll respect.

[bae]

See what I mean about this society being a poor fit for me? For me personally, the lives of the children lost in the Sandy Hook incident are more important than the rights of citizens to bear arms. This one I am afraid is set in stone for me.....ever since I saw my father pull a gun on my mother in a drunken rage in 1977. ... So if nothing else, you can see how this society might be an ill fit for those who think like me then perhaps. Rob

Will you be moving to a country that bans alcohol then?

[bae]

Actually, the majority of the guns in Mexico don't come from the US [URL]

Even when you count all the ones the BATF arranged to have smuggled down there :-(

[gimmethesimplelife]

Will you be moving to a country that bans alcohol then?

I don't see the connection....if you are talking about my late father, yes, but if you are talking about other incidents such as Sandy Hook, I'm afraid I don't see the connection then, Bae. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob -

I don't think you are "condoning" anything by continuing to live in the USA. To seriously hold that position would drive a person insane, IMHO - society will always be engaging in activities you find morally repulsive, and you won't be able to stop them all, or to avoid participating in some small ways.

I was born at a given time and place and made a citizen without any choice of my own. I have to live someplace and at this moment it is here. So as far as it is within my power I try to live in peace. Live simply, as best you can manage do not engage in activities that support evil, and do not neglect your neighbors, or the stranger, or the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the innocent. Do what you can, to the best of your ability, and don't go insane.

Not a bad take on this Bae, I'll give you that.....I just find the deaths of those children and the inability of society to do anything about it more than I can accept, but still overall I see the point in your take here. Rob