Gabby Giffords Gun Violence Initiative

[Spartana]

The proposed CCW restrictions I've heard discussed allow transporting guns and bullets to training grounds. They restrict concealed carrying of loaded weapons. You may wish to ignore the relative risks associated with people carrying loaded concealed weapons, but reasonable people disagree with you about those risks.

In Calif, CCW is a permit to carry a concealed loaded weapon. They are very difficult to get here unless you work in public safety or have a darned good reason. There are other laws that tell you how you are able to transport a firearm. Most require they be in a locked container, with the ammo seperate from the firearm. It is illegal to transport a loaded weapon or have an unlocked firearm - loaded or unloaded - on your person or in your vehicle. Except those who have a CCW permit.

[Spartana]

Fair question Bae, though you might not like the answer. I have further thought about leaving the US - due to just not having any hope for resolution to this situation. I don't see any compromise coming down the pike between those who defend gun ownership and those who want gun control and I don't know that incidents like Sandy Hook can reasonably be prevented - so I take it to a place it doesn't seem like others here do. I.E. - is this citizenship viable for the long term and etc. Will leaving prevent Sandy Hook like incidents - no. I admit that. But I wonder if staying is indeed akin to condoning them in a way. But I do think that's great that you are getting training, I give you that. Rob

Be careful if you go to Mexico Rob!! This from todays Huff Post: A total of 34,612 people have died in drug-related killings in Mexico in the four years since Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared an offensive against drug cartels, officials said Wednesday. A

I know you've talked often of moving to Mexico, but like many places in the USA there is gun violence there too - and not just drug related killings but a high number of other crime, accidental, and suicides. And Mexico has very tough gun laws and a fairly low ownership/capita of legal firearms. So the gun violence there is probably much greater then here in terms of shootings and death. So while I DO support gun regulations, I feel that we need to look into other causes of gun violence and mass shootings then merely "what kind of gun did the person have?" hope I'm convincing you to stay around awhile longer :-)!

[Spartana]

Not a bad take on this Bae, I'll give you that.....I just find the deaths of those children and the inability of society to do anything about it more than I can accept, but still overall I see the point in your take here. Rob

But it takes time for society to do anything. Just like in the Oklahoma city bombing, it took time to decide what was the best course of action to reduce or eliminate that kind of thing. The solution was to change the way people could enter the building, park near by, and some "attractive" concrete barricades to prevent vehicles from just driving up to ther front doors. That and more asrmed security. I don't think that it will do much good due to the extent of these kinds of bombs, but it is a reasonable solution.

The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6,[1] and injured more than 680 people.The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, destroyed or burned 86 cars, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings[

[Spartana]

Alan said that it only takes a few seconds to switch out magazines if someone is untrained and obviously less if they have practiced. .

As well as with a speed loader (or multiple ones) for a standard 6 shot revolver. I have several and they can be used to reload in a sec or 2. A bit more cumbersome then putting in a new mag but still fast.

[bae]

As well as with a speed loader (or multiple ones) for a standard 6 shot revolver. I have several and they can be used to reload in a sec or 2. A bit more cumbersome then putting in a new mag but still fast.

I've seen this fellow shoot. I'm not *quite* this fast, but can do a semi-credible imitation.




Now though I cheat when I carry a revolver:

[bUU]

All these already exist in Calif (and several other states) yet have done nothing to curb gun violence or mass shootings.

You mean you have a "practice" version of California, where people who are identical to "our" Californians live without such laws, and you can provide detailed evidence comparing these two Californias? Let's go visit this practice California you apparently have and verify your data. /s/

I didn't think so. So we're back to your decision to interpret the data the way that serves your preference and reasonable people who disagree with you interpreting the data in a completely different way.

So I don't understand the need to ...

And that's okay. Not every gun owner has to "understand the need" for every gun restriction. Some of my family members are gun owners and they don't even try to understand. Some of those family members also don't understand why we have to pay taxes. ... or why we have to be fair to minorities and women. And some other of my family members don't understand why we would hold Israel to account for their actions, and why would consider any Arab to be friendly. Heck, I don't understand why we need to allow anyone to have simultaneously possession of more than one or two guns - I've never seen anyone successfully shoot three guns simultaneously.

It is okay for some people to not understand. It's the nature of bias to obstruct understanding.

In Calif, CCW is a permit to carry a concealed loaded weapon. They are very difficult to get here unless you work in public safety or have a darned good reason. There are other laws that tell you how you are able to transport a firearm. Most require they be in a locked container, with the ammo seperate from the firearm. It is illegal to transport a loaded weapon or have an unlocked firearm - loaded or unloaded - on your person or in your vehicle. Except those who have a CCW permit.

Those are the types of restrictions that they're proposing. You apparently already have them in place in your state. (I know I have them in place in my state.)

[DocHolliday]

Heck, I don't understand why we need to allow anyone to have simultaneously possession of more than one or two guns.

Just because you don't understand doesn't mean that reasonable people don't understand why someone would want more than one or two guns. A gun that is fine for squirrel hunting doesn't mean that it will be fine for bird hunting. A gun that is fine for bird hunting will not be fine for deer hunting. A gun that is fine for deer hunting isn't definitely fine for bear hunting. A bear gun isn't the best weapon for home defense. Your home defense gun won't be the best available tool for target shooting. Reasonable and knowledgeable people know these things.

[Mrs-M]

Background checks?

[Mrs-M]

Time for me to present MY "magic bullet" solution. How about two guns per person?

Instead of carrying just one on either your right or left side, how about two, one for each side? Theoretically, that in itself should keep America, twice as safe.

[Mrs-M]

At any rate, this thread supplies me with my recommended daily dose of comedy!