Quote Originally Posted by Spartana View Post
All these already exist in Calif (and several other states) yet have done nothing to curb gun violence or mass shootings.
You mean you have a "practice" version of California, where people who are identical to "our" Californians live without such laws, and you can provide detailed evidence comparing these two Californias? Let's go visit this practice California you apparently have and verify your data. /s/

I didn't think so. So we're back to your decision to interpret the data the way that serves your preference and reasonable people who disagree with you interpreting the data in a completely different way.

Quote Originally Posted by Spartana View Post
So I don't understand the need to ...
And that's okay. Not every gun owner has to "understand the need" for every gun restriction. Some of my family members are gun owners and they don't even try to understand. Some of those family members also don't understand why we have to pay taxes. ... or why we have to be fair to minorities and women. And some other of my family members don't understand why we would hold Israel to account for their actions, and why would consider any Arab to be friendly. Heck, I don't understand why we need to allow anyone to have simultaneously possession of more than one or two guns - I've never seen anyone successfully shoot three guns simultaneously.

It is okay for some people to not understand. It's the nature of bias to obstruct understanding.


Quote Originally Posted by Spartana View Post
In Calif, CCW is a permit to carry a concealed loaded weapon. They are very difficult to get here unless you work in public safety or have a darned good reason. There are other laws that tell you how you are able to transport a firearm. Most require they be in a locked container, with the ammo seperate from the firearm. It is illegal to transport a loaded weapon or have an unlocked firearm - loaded or unloaded - on your person or in your vehicle. Except those who have a CCW permit.
Those are the types of restrictions that they're proposing. You apparently already have them in place in your state. (I know I have them in place in my state.)