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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Who are the International Human Rights Police, and what authority do they have in Missouri?
    Amnesty International on the ground has the power of social media to show the world what America truly has become. Is this authority? No, anyone there could do it, but the fact the Amnesty International is doing it leads to an even poorer image for America, an image it has long since earned and is long overdue. This is the one development in this case I approve of - I am so glad they are there on the ground. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Seems as if forensic experts today said that there was no evidence of a struggle
    Except for the cop's face, which if you were reasonably independent (and you clearly are not) might give you some insight into who the aggressor was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Except for the cop's face, which if you were reasonably independent (and you clearly are not) might give you some insight into who the aggressor was.
    My point was that evidence seems to be emerging that the cop's side of the story is a crock. And no, I'm not independent any more than you are as I'm not there and I'm not trained in forensics so I don't have the skills to determine these issues myself. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    leads to an even poorer image for America, an image it has long since earned and is long overdue. This is the one development in this case I approve of - I am so glad they are there on the ground. Rob
    No one gives a crap. The hug-a-thug approach was a complete bust. Back to protecting people and property.

    The biggest reaction I have seen is a growing disdain for the people in that community. Many folks are happy to let them burn the place down and would be more likely to support fencing it in like Gaza then giving in to mob rule.

    There will be an inquiry. Let's see what the facts are then decide what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    No one gives a crap. The hug-a-thug approach was a complete bust. Back to protecting people and property.

    The biggest reaction I have seen is a growing disdain for the people in that community. Many folks are happy to let them burn the place down and would be more likely to support fencing it in like Gaza then giving in to mob rule.

    There will be an inquiry. Let's see what the facts are then decide what to do.
    My take is different. I see folks I know demanding an overhaul of the system and becoming yet more disillusioned. I see growing realization that the police are overmilitarized and often get away with murder, and I also see legislation supposedly being drafted by a Democrat from Georgia to demilitarize the police. I see people realizing this could be them next, and not very happy about that, with declining wages, jobs being shipped offshore, and not enough jobs to go around in the background as constant nightmare themes to deal with. I also see people realizing that what America looks like - it can be quite quite quite ugly when you take the rose colored glasses off.

    Will any of this lead to change? Your guess is as good as mine. But at least there are people who are truly angry (of all races) who won't forgive or forget this. That's a good start for eventual change right there. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    My point was that evidence seems to be emerging that the cop's side of the story is a crock.
    What evidence and what does it disprove?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    demilitarize the police.
    What does that mean? No SWAT teams? Not going to happen. No riot gear? Also not going to happen? No surplus equipment? Maybe, but not sure how excited people will be to stroke a check for new gear and let surplus equipment go to salvage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    New development. Amnesty International is now saying that International Human Rights Law has been violated in Ferguson - specifically as to the indiscriminate use of teargas with the potential for children and the elderly to get gassed. I am so so so glad they are there on the ground as they are going to be about human rights. It's about time. Rob
    bolding mine.

    What, only the potential to get gassed? It already happened, kids were gassed. Most reasonable people think that's a shame. Did Amnesty Int'l miss that, too? I heard that they are already scampering out of here, or some of them, anyway.

    But then, most reasonable people wouldn't have put their children in that line of fire at night, anyway. That's just not bright.

    I can see taking kids 8, 9, 10+ to the protest in the day, if that's what floats your boat, but no way I'd have my children in that crowd after sundown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmc View Post
    Who are the International Human Rights Police, and what authority do they have in Missouri?
    Amnesty International has no standing here which is why it's fine that they come to the party (since hundreds of other outsiders are coming, too.) Who cares? Spend liberal tourist dollars in St. Louis, that will make up a tiny bit of the millions lost.

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    More twists in the plot: A CNN reporter was threatened with arrest WHILE LIVE ON AIR. How incredibly stupid is that? A photographer with Getty Images was arrested, too - don't know more details on that one. And apparently, the protests are spreading to the city of St. Louis itself. This is not going to just wither and go away I'm afraid. Maybe we are on the cusp of some social change, who knows? Rob

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