Like most everything else in life, it's very difficult to say. I called 911 once for a drug OD (a drug OD as suicide attempt), and if it had indeed been too much for them, the person probably would have been dead by the time they finally entered the building (but noone got shot). So, it's very difficult to say when it will make any positive difference.Originally Posted by bae
Trees don't grow on money
That's a hard one, Bae.....I can't think of many instances I'd call unless it were needing paperwork to file an insurance claim. Otherwise I'd do like most low income people do and handle whatever issue myself. Anything to avoid dealing with the police. Please read Teacher Terry's post above to get a feel of why I'd feel that way, posted by someone other than myself. Please read Jane's post a page or two back about the police in the largest city in your home state and reflect a sec or two if you would.....I'm not the only one who feels this way, Bae. Rob
So, if a prowler is looking at your neighbor's house, or you hear screams from the apartment next to yours, or you see a child who has been beaten, or someone is selling drugs to school kids on the street corner, or ..., you wouldn't call, you'd "handle whatever issue" yourself?
You sound like a great guy to have as a neighbor!
Don't drop dead of shock, Bae, but I see your point and even agree. I'm not a great neighbor to have because I honestly don't know what to do in such situations. I have been traumatized for life as far as how I perceive American police by witnessing the Phoenix police brutally assault my neighbors for no reason other than for flying a Guatemalan flag, which is legal on their property. I really am terrified of the police. I don't know how I'd handle the above situations....nor do I know how my neighbors would, though I will say if I had had a smartphone at the time I would have captured the illegal assault on video with audio so as to be a good neighbor and help their lawsuit gain more dollar traction. In that way I'd be quite glad to help - not the answer you wanted to hear, but it is the truth regardless. I guess if it works AGAINST the police, I'm willing to help....if it involves dealing with the police otherwise, I'm very afraid. Very very very afraid. This will never go away after what I have experienced in my life. Good thing we are not neighbors then, eh? Rob
I do say this terror is all on the police and not on me.....but I am glad that my neighbors were able to get some money out of it and help their kids get an education beyond high school courtesy of the Phoenix police and their need to behave as if above the law. Sometimes when I am depressed I remember that their lawsuit was successful against the Phoenix police and that is sometimes enough for me to keep on keeping on.
We dont have these problems in the Uk, the police now carry body cameras and are completely accountable for their actions. I am not saying it never happens but it is extrememly rare. If anything a far too soft approach is taken towards criminals, but I have faith that the police are quite fair and helpful in the UK.
Regular patrol officers in the UK aren't armed for the most part, correct?
You might want to talk to some folks about that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttra...tress_disorder
They don't usually make it past the claymores, so I don't rightly know.
How about we fire the officers responsible for this, take away their pension build up (perhaps put into a fund for the victims of illegal police actions?) and have the responsible officers talk to someone about that? I'm one of the aggrieved parties here - but I will admit not as badly as my illegally assaulted neighbors. Rob
Hmmm.....It turns out that that officer, Dan Page, who pushed and threatened the CNN reporter Don Lemon, is being allowed to retire on a full pension. Amazing.....I just hope his goose gets cooked via a huge judgment in court thereby crushing him economically. I can cross my fingers and hope for the best though of course this is out of my control. But allowing him to retain his pension? Inexcusable and this further showcases the police mentality that they perceive themselves to be above the law.
But it's not all bad news coming out of Ferguson. The Ferguson police are now wearing body cameras and I think that's great, I really do. Now the protestors have to realize this is a two way street and their behavior also must remain appropriate or the police can release video that can go viral, too. That one works two ways and I do believe it should. Rob
Came back to add though that I see one major problem with these cameras. What's to stop a crooked cop from just turning it off to enjoy being above the law once more? There needs to be a policy requiring instant termination and instant pension loss for turning their camera off, otherwise the cameras are a nice idea but potentially meaningless. I certainly would not trust the police to keep the cameras on if such would make them look bad - there really does need to be a policy with severe economic consequences should an officer just turn off their camera. I certainly would not trust any police officer to keep a camera on if it worked against them.....Rob
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