Iris lilies, how are things in your hood?

[dmc]

Police brutality is wrong, no one is saying otherwise. But most everyone has a cell phone these days and there are plenty like Rob who are going to make sure the cops are all on tape. I don't have a problem with that. But to say all cops are bad because of a few is just wrong. They are putting their very lives on the line and should be given some respect.

Rob, I really think you should talk to someone about your issues, how would it hurt?

[dmc]

It's not OK to threaten me with taser and arrest for refusing to go to the hospital, dmc. This is completely unacceptable - it is very much the action of a police state. I will never forgive America for this. Ever. How could I? How could anyone? I will say that after the doctor in Wyoming said that I didn't have to come in to the hospital due to my BP and pulse going down, the sheriff left without a word as did the ambulance. But the scars will never go away. You don't threatened someone with taser, arrest and bankruptcy.....not in a country where at the time my life was not worth access to health care without bankruptcy. (though this still holds true in Utah for the next victims of the Daggett County Sheriff's Office as Utah has not expanded Medicaid to date.....) Dmc maybe in your line of thinking this all is acceptable, in mine, it's not. You get to see things your way but don't expect me to ever trust the police again and to feel anything but fear of them and all they stand for. Though one thing I can say as to my part - what I can do is to boycott any state that has not expanded Medicaid, to not waste my time with such states. That won't change anything, I understand that, but it is what little I can realistically do. Rob

Why would you fear bankruptcy? If you make so little as to be on Medicaid what would they take?

So after it was determined that you were all right the police and ambulance left. They didn't actually do anything to you except try and get you to follow a doctors order.

[dmc]

And who do you think is this "America" who you expect to take care of you actually is?

[gimmethesimplelife]

Why would you fear bankruptcy? If you make so little as to be on Medicaid what would they take?

So after it was determined that you were all right the police and ambulance left. They didn't actually do anything to you except try and get you to follow a doctors order.

Dmc, this happened in May of 2013, before Medicaid was expanded. Additionally, Utah has not to date expanded Medicaid anyway and I would not have qualified for Medicaid in Utah as a childless male. Hence, bankruptcy when confronted with medical bills. And if they want me to follow a doctor's order, threatening me as a law abiding citizen with taser and arrest is not going to win compliance - this is going to win permanent fear of America and all that it stands for and permanent non-allegiance. Yes, I take basic human rights that seriously......Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

And who do you think is this "America" who you expect to take care of you actually is?

Taxpaying society as a whole, dmc, and had I not had to leave Utah due to my panic attacks, my income would have been high enough for those seven months of work that I would have paid into the system instead of just taking out of it and I would not have had any problems with paying in as I have indeed taken out. Rob

[bae]

Last year I accepted a position waiting tables at a lodge near the Flaming Gorge Resort Area of far NE Utah. I was there for a few days and doing well when I had a panic attack on the floor - this is something I had never experienced. Two other servers were nearby in the employee housing and were also trained EMT's - they came over to the restaurant, got me off the floor, and took my BP and pulse, both of which were sky high. They ended out calling an ambulance and the sheriff's office and a hospital in Rock Springs, Wyoming - the closest hospital. The doctor on the phone in Wyoming wanted me to come in via ambulance as my BP and pulse were scary high and I refused as I did not have insurance at the time and THE SHERIFF THREATENED TO TASER AND ARREST ME for my refusal.

So, after 80+ pages, this ...incredible...account emerges.

Rob - nobody is going to taser and arrest you *simply* for refusing transport for BP/pulse issues. There is no legal basis for doing so, and you would indeed win a cripplingly huge lawsuit if that was all that was going on. (I have sitting in my clipboard at the very top of the forms a "no transport" form that is our second-most-commonly-used piece of paper.)

So, my deduction is that you either ran across a completely insane and inept law enforcement officer, or that perhaps there is more to the story than you know, recall, or relate. Were you perhaps agitated and acting...oddly....towards the officer and the medical responders?

I run on calls like this every week. If the paramedic or doctor judges that the patient is a danger to himself or others, we will *forcefully* effect transport, and it will not be done with tasers generally. Law enforcement has much more limited ability to restrain and move you than paramedic/rescue agencies... I'll tell you what happens - several large firefighters/medics grab you, then we apply pharmacologic restraints, then into the ambulance and off you go to the psych ward or the detox center...

Based on your statements in this thread, and others, I really think you need to see somebody about your anxiety.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Why would you fear bankruptcy? If you make so little as to be on Medicaid what would they take?

So after it was determined that you were all right the police and ambulance left. They didn't actually do anything to you except try and get you to follow a doctors order.

What this sheriff has in fact done is to solidify for the rest of my life whether I stay here or not - I will always assume the worst of America after having seen it so close up for what it is. I will never really trust it going forward. All this for the police feeling they were above the law as far as attacking my neighbors and for threatening me with taser, arrest, and bankruptcy through no fault of my own - after these experiences, how thrilled would you be with holding US citizenship, and might you be comparison shopping other countries in the coldest of blood? To me such is only logical and practical. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

So, after 80+ pages, this ...incredible...account emerges.

Rob - nobody is going to taser and arrest you *simply* for refusing transport for BP/pulse issues. There is no legal basis for doing so, and you would indeed win a cripplingly huge lawsuit if that was all that was going on. (I have sitting in my clipboard at the very top of the forms a "no transport" form that is our second-most-commonly-used piece of paper.)

So, my deduction is that you either ran across a completely insane and inept law enforcement officer, or that perhaps there is more to the story than you know, recall, or relate. Were you perhaps agitated and acting...oddly....towards the officer and the medical responders?

I run on calls like this every week. If the paramedic or doctor judges that the patient is a danger to himself or others, we will *forcefully* effect transport, and it will not be done with tasers generally. Law enforcement has much more limited ability to restrain and move you than paramedic/rescue agencies... I'll tell you what happens - several large firefighters/medics grab you, then we apply pharmacologic restraints, then into the ambulance and off you go to the psych ward or the detox center...

Based on your statements in this thread, and others, I really think you need to see somebody about your anxiety.

And see, this is why I dislike America so so so much. One big reason, Bae. This really did happen. Out in rural Utah. And yes, I was threatened with taser and arrest by the sheriff of Daggett County, Utah. And no, there was no legal basis for doing so and I have been terrified of this country ever since. How could I not be? Seriously? Please answer me this. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

So, after 80+ pages, this ...incredible...account emerges.

Rob - nobody is going to taser and arrest you *simply* for refusing transport for BP/pulse issues. There is no legal basis for doing so, and you would indeed win a cripplingly huge lawsuit if that was all that was going on. (I have sitting in my clipboard at the very top of the forms a "no transport" form that is our second-most-commonly-used piece of paper.)

So, my deduction is that you either ran across a completely insane and inept law enforcement officer, or that perhaps there is more to the story than you know, recall, or relate. Were you perhaps agitated and acting...oddly....towards the officer and the medical responders?

I run on calls like this every week. If the paramedic or doctor judges that the patient is a danger to himself or others, we will *forcefully* effect transport, and it will not be done with tasers generally. Law enforcement has much more limited ability to restrain and move you than paramedic/rescue agencies... I'll tell you what happens - several large firefighters/medics grab you, then we apply pharmacologic restraints, then into the ambulance and off you go to the psych ward or the detox center...

Based on your statements in this thread, and others, I really think you need to see somebody about your anxiety.

I don't think the officer was insane, and I don't believe he was inept, either. I got the feeling that this was how the old boy's network in rural Utah handles things and that they were used to breaking the law and getting away with doing so. I'm glad to hear that's not how you handle things, Bae, I do respect you for this much. Rob

PS I did go to a walk in clinic to see a doctor in Vernal, Utah, right after this happened - Vernal is the closest town to where I was and it was my point for making connections to get home to Phoenix. The nurse there told me how I'd been handled was illegal but that she was not surprised since it took place in Daggett County - apparently (?) this county has a reputation as being a bit strange with it's law enforcement. I didn't pry for more as I was so glad to be out of the place, in one piece and not illegally arrested. All I wanted was to flee after seeing a doctor. One thing I will say, though - I won't just take any job any more out in the middle of nowhere without doing a lot of research in advance. I'm not even sure I should be going that rural to begin with - it seems as if making myself more vulnerable to the downside risk of this citizenship. Rob

[bae]

... I have been terrified of this country ever since. How could I not be? Seriously? Please answer me this. Rob

Seriously? Talk to a therapist.