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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    New York (state and city) has among the toughest firearms laws in the country. Criminals are always able to get their hands on any guns they like, as they ignore the laws.
    I think there's a law forbidding executing police officers too. Maybe a few more will help.

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    This is a sad situation. There will always be mentally unstable people that will be whipped up in a frenzy about something & do something horrible.

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    I see McCarthyism is making a comeback. Waiting for the blacklists. From Wikipedia:


    During the McCarthy era, thousands of Americans were accused of being communists or communist sympathizers and became the subject of aggressive investigations and questioning before government or private-industry panels, committees and agencies. The primary targets of such suspicions were government employees, those in the entertainment industry, educators and union activists. Suspicions were often given credence despite inconclusive or questionable evidence, and the level of threat posed by a person's real or supposed leftist associations or beliefs was often greatly exaggerated. Many people suffered loss of employment and/or destruction of their careers; some even suffered imprisonment. Most of these punishments came about through trial verdicts later overturned,[2] laws that were later declared unconstitutional,[3] dismissals for reasons later declared illegal[4] or actionable,[5] or extra-legal procedures that would come into general disrepute.
    it's more subtle today, generally noone will blacklist you for being a member of any political party, nor are you likely to be imprisoned for it. Still activism (which does not necessarily mean communism, that's not the point I'm making, the analogy I'm making is the punishments for political behavior as such) and protest is a highly likely way to destroy a career since who hires with a 'criminal' record and activism can very easily lead to one. Still rationally one may conclude that certain things are worth protesting for and so be it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yossarian View Post
    Or worse, pander to it for political gain. You can't stop all the dumbass individuals who spout gibberish, but no doubt we would be better served if our leaders or the press exercised an iota of intelligence, reason or moral courage to rebut the false narratives and elevate public discourse to a rational level.
    CNN stokes the fire for ratings. Al Sharpton & Co. do it for $$ and power. Louis Farrakhan, too. I suggest you watch the video at the top of this article.

    http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/...for-something/

    “The young – they are God’s children and they are not going down being peaceful. Watch now, because once it starts, it’s on,” Farrakhan told a crowd at Morgan State University in Baltimore. “You may not want to fight, but you better get ready. Teach your baby how to throw the bottle if they can.”

    The Nation of Islam leader stated that we are going to “tear this God damn country up.”

    “We gonna die. Let’s die for something,” he told the audience. “See, now when my Muslim family here, Imams and my Christian family – in this book, there is a law for retaliation. The Bible says an eye, a tooth, a life. See now, as long as they kill us, and go to Wendy’s and have a burger and go to sleep, they gonna keep killing us. But when we die and they die, then soon we gonna sit down at a table and talk about – we tired. We want some of this earth. We tear this God damn country up.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Can you clarify what exactly this has to do with cops getting shot? Is that a problem in communist countries that I'm not aware of? I went looking for what the mayor had to say about the shootings and only found this:

    "When a police officer is murdered, it tears at the foundation of our society," the mayor said. "It is an attack on the very concept of decency."
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/21/us/new...officers-shot/

    If there's been somewhere that the mayor spoke in favor of people killing cops I'm curious to see it.
    Rob asked why I called the NYC major a commie. That's what I was responding to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    Rob asked why I called the NYC major a commie. That's what I was responding to.
    So it didn't have anything to do with the shooting? None of your response had anything to do with the shooting. As far as I could tell you just wanted to use this as an opportunity to gripe about a mayor a thousand miles from where you live. I'm still wondering how income redistribution and the sandinistas factor into the mayor's opinion about someone killing cops.

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    Murdering Officer Rafael Ramos and Officer Wenjian Liu strikes me as a strange way to strike a blow against “white privilege”. But then, we’re living in the golden age of the spurious narrative. We’re told that our secret overlords are omnipotent corporations, yet they censor themselves shamelessly when a North Korean Stalinist throwback or Medieval Islamic sect can’t take a joke. Politicians who hector security services to “do everything possible” after a terrorist outrage become shocked, shocked when they do. Rolling Stone provides us insight into “the culture of rape” with a comically bogus story. An ambassador is supposedly murdered by a mob of outraged film critics. Adding one more law to the existing collection will sweep gun violence from our streets. You can keep your current health plan if you like it.

    With all the technologically enhanced blather in circulation, and with a higher education system more interested in enforcing thought control than developing critical thinking, is it any surprise that the more unbalanced among us will act out in tragically idiotic ways?

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    If you blame the actions of a mentally ill man on African-American leaders, then who is at fault for Eric Frein, the white survivalist with a grudge against law enforcement? He ambushed two troopers in PA, killing one and seriously wounding the other, and cost the state millions of dollars during the manhunt.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Frein

    I'm waiting to hear the apologies of the anti-government/survivalist leaders for that one ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lainey View Post
    If you blame the actions of a mentally ill man on African-American leaders, then who is at fault for Eric Frein, the white survivalist with a grudge against law enforcement? He ambushed two troopers in PA, killing one and seriously wounding the other, and cost the state millions of dollars during the manhunt.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Frein

    I'm waiting to hear the apologies of the anti-government/survivalist leaders for that one ...
    Which anti-government survivalist politicians are you speaking of? Did they encourage The People to shoot cops?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Which anti-government survivalist politicians are you speaking of? Did they encourage The People to shoot cops?
    Did Mayor DiBlasio encourage The People to shoot cops?

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