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    And here we go again...

    http://www.kmov.com/news/local/4-arr...286766851.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...dbdc896ba.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/violent-crowd...153730065.html

    Several miles from Ferguson, a white cop is questioning several black youths for a theft at a convenience store, when one of the youths pulls a gun and points it at the officer. Cop fires three times, and youth who pulled gun is hit and killed. Youth's gun didn't fire, but IMO, all bets are off when you pull a gun on a cop. The youth's pistol also had the serial number somehow filed off or otherwise obstructed (law abiding folk don't have guns with the serial numbers filed off)

    There is surveillance camera footage.

    The predictable events occur - some looting, brick throwing at cops, fireworks/explosives set off at cops by "protestors," etc.

    I will say that in Chicago, it's not that uncommon an occurrence for a black youth to pull a gun on a cop and get shot/killed. No riots here.

    Racial makeup of this PD is different. Among the department's 31 officers, the mayor said, 17 or 18 are African-American. About 75 percent of the command staff are black, in addition to the mayor, police chief and other city officials, Hoskins added.

    Youth who pulled gun on cop had a criminal record involving armed robbery and assault charges. Cop was a 6 year veteran of PD, and had been involved in one previous incident where there was a struggle for his firearm.

    Comments from the deceased family members fit the usual "my baby dindu nuffin'" script.

    Antonio Martin's extended family was in shock early Wednesday, as they waited for details to unfold about the fatal shooting.

    "This doesn't make any sense for them to kill my son like this," Toni Martin-Green said early Wednesday from her home near the University of Missouri-St. Louis campus. "I am trying to be calm."

    Martin was the oldest of four children born to her and Jerome Green.

    "He's like any other kid who had dreams or hopes," said Green. "We loved being around him. He'd push a smile out of you."

    Green described his son as a "follower" who took medication for being hyperactive.

    "It was hard for him to focus," Green said.

    "He was not a violent person, to our knowledge," he added. "Around us there weren't any pistols. It's hard to believe that."

    His grandmother, Margret Chandler, was also in disbelief.

    "When he was around me, he knew to do right," she said. "Why would he pull out a gun against the police? That's the thing I don't get. It just doesn't add up."


    He was not a "violent person"? Sheesh. Wonder how the CNN and such will spin this one in the next few days. It will certainly give them something to focus on during the usually slow Christmas news period. I wonder if Al Sharpton will get involved with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    http://www.kmov.com/news/local/4-arr...286766851.html

    http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/c...dbdc896ba.html

    https://news.yahoo.com/violent-crowd...153730065.html

    Several miles from Ferguson, a white cop is questioning several black youths for a theft at a convenience store, when one of the youths pulls a gun and points it at the officer. Cop fires three times, and youth who pulled gun is hit and killed. Youth's gun didn't fire, but IMO, all bets are off when you pull a gun on a cop. The youth's pistol also had the serial number somehow filed off or otherwise obstructed (law abiding folk don't have guns with the serial numbers filed off)

    There is surveillance camera footage.

    The predictable events occur - some looting, brick throwing at cops, fireworks/explosives set off at cops by "protestors," etc.

    I will say that in Chicago, it's not that uncommon an occurrence for a black youth to pull a gun on a cop and get shot/killed. No riots here.

    Racial makeup of this PD is different. Among the department's 31 officers, the mayor said, 17 or 18 are African-American. About 75 percent of the command staff are black, in addition to the mayor, police chief and other city officials, Hoskins added.

    Youth who pulled gun on cop had a criminal record involving armed robbery and assault charges. Cop was a 6 year veteran of PD, and had been involved in one previous incident where there was a struggle for his firearm.

    Comments from the deceased family members fit the usual "my baby dindu nuffin'" script.

    Antonio Martin's extended family was in shock early Wednesday, as they waited for details to unfold about the fatal shooting.

    "This doesn't make any sense for them to kill my son like this," Toni Martin-Green said early Wednesday from her home near the University of Missouri-St. Louis campus. "I am trying to be calm."

    Martin was the oldest of four children born to her and Jerome Green.

    "He's like any other kid who had dreams or hopes," said Green. "We loved being around him. He'd push a smile out of you."

    Green described his son as a "follower" who took medication for being hyperactive.

    "It was hard for him to focus," Green said.

    "He was not a violent person, to our knowledge," he added. "Around us there weren't any pistols. It's hard to believe that."

    His grandmother, Margret Chandler, was also in disbelief.

    "When he was around me, he knew to do right," she said. "Why would he pull out a gun against the police? That's the thing I don't get. It just doesn't add up."


    He was not a "violent person"? Sheesh. Wonder how the CNN and such will spin this one in the next few days. It will certainly give them something to focus on during the usually slow Christmas news period. I wonder if Al Sharpton will get involved with this one.
    Tradd - please don't be shocked but in this case I agree with you. I honestly do. You say that if you pull a gun on a cop all bets are off and on this I agree. If you notice in all my anti-cop posts I have never once mentioned that anyone in my neighborhood or my neighbors or myself ever pulled weapons on a cop - though I have went on about having a smartphone on you at all times with video capabilities as insurance against the police. I totally agree it is not cool or right to pull weapons on a cop. That to me is crossing a line and I don't blame the cops for shooting this time. Should anyone pull a gun on me I would think that my life is in danger, too, so I can't blame this officer for shooting in self defense and this incident I don't personally consider murder nor do I believe this officer was out of line.

    Furthermore, I would not join a protest in this instance. All my posts that are anti-police have centered around cops hassling and sometimes killing unarmed people who did not pull weapons on the police. Unfortunately there are those police who live to power trip and do murder people for no real reason and the system is set up so that they get away with it. This I cannot forgive nor ever forget and it is blood on America's hands. Instead of bailing out banks I believe the government should bail out victims of police brutality with large settlements so that such people would be able to buy their way into another country legally and start over elsewhere.

    All the above said, this is not one of those instances and I SIDE WITH THE POLICE ON THIS ONE. Please don't anyone be too suprised. Rob

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    Rob, I'm not not surprised you agree on this one. However, I am fully expecting a large part of the rabble rousers to totally ignore the facts (just as they did with the "hands up, don't shoot" thing with Ferguson that turned out to be false), and continue their agitation.

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    Only really stupid people target firefighters and paramedics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    You say that if you pull a gun on a cop all bets are off and on this I agree.
    What if you fight with a cop for his gun? Or fight with a cop at all?

    I knew a few police officers in Lakewood WA who were quietly sitting in a coffee shop a couple years ago, when an upstanding local community member walked in and killed 4 of them. About a dozen other community members helped hide the killer and tried to get him out of town. The only protest I remember was the funeral parade for the officers, and some extra training sessions down at the SPAA facility...


    Rob - you are about to get the society you want. You and your neighbors can do your own community policing, your own community firefighting, your own community emergency medical services. Nobody else is going to be willing to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    Only really stupid people target firefighters and paramedics.
    Happens more than you'd like to know. Some of the assailants aren't stupid - they're just evil, and set up ambushes to take out first responders.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/24/us/new...ters-shooting/

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    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/56846046

    The woman screaming is like nails on a chalkboard.

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    Of course pulling a gun on a cop will get you killed. That is sad about the 4 officers & I wonder why anyone would try to hide them so they could escape.

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    The derp on this one is astounding.


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