Thank you, Kib. I'm a rare one in that I believe everyone with a CCL needs to have at least a safety class. The old timers are the ones who really scare me. I just sat down and added up how much training I've had. NRA Basic Pistol, 8 hours; IL CCL class, 8 hours (IL requires 16 hours, but I got credit for the NRA Basic Pistol class); Massad Ayoob (very well known trainer for LE and armed civilians) 20 hour class on the legalities of being an armed civilian + 20 hours live fire; 2 x 8 hours for Force on Force classes, using airlift pistols (great for simulating stress under fire), taught by local trainers who work with LE and serve on the state committee that works with schools for active shooter training; 4 hour weapons retention class (aka, how to keep your pistol if a bad guy tries to take it away from you).