Article: 87 year old hoarder facing eviction (warning: incredibly sad)

[bae]

But at the same time, waiting until the last minute or until the place goes up in flames or collapses is not a good solution.

You investigate a lot of fires and structural collapses, do you?

[Ultralight]

You investigate a lot of fires and structural collapses, do you?

For cryin' out loud, bae. lol

You've got the righteous indignation schtick down pat.


I am sure you're a genius. Really, I mean that.

And I know I am not a genius. I am just a workin' man, a humble fisherman from a podunk town.

But I assure you that when a place is acutely fire hazardous, it don't take a genius to know this. I'd confidently say that when a place is fire hazardous (and not even acutely so) a relatively clever lay person can point it out. And I can say that because of a fair amount of hard work I qualify as a relatively clever lay person.

Same rationale extends to building collapses.

[bae]

So, you don't. You are just making stuff up. Got it.

[Ultralight]

So, you don't. You are just making stuff up. Got it.

I know I really zinged you. And you don't like it when that happens. I get it.

But that does not make me wrong about noticing fire hazards or structural problems in houses.

Do I need to continue to clarify this? Do you really think the only people that can point out a fire hazard are trained professionals with degrees in fire science? I would hope not.

Do you really think only a journeyman carpenter can point out when some old-ass stairs are about to give way and collapse under someone's feet?

Get serious, bae.

Now, I will gladly tell you that pros are better at pointing these things out and better and noticing problems very early on. No contest there.

But can a lay person identify fire hazards and some structural problems in a house? Uh... yes.

[bae]

I know I really zinged you.

Nope.

You are still making stuff up. The data is not remotely on your side. And in your responses, you keep moving the goal posts and not responding to the point in question.

If you want to reduce house fires and improve "public safety", ban smoking, and forbid the sale of cheap electric coffeemakers and extension cords. Follow up by banning propane, and disallowing people keeping any sort of solvents or lubricants in their garages. Very very very few fires or structural collapses are caused by "hoarders", or at least by their possession. To claim so as a reason for stepping in and hassling little old ladies is absurd.

[Ultralight]

Nope.

You are still making stuff up. The data is not remotely on your side. And in your responses, you keep moving the goal posts and not responding to the point in question.

If you want to reduce house fires and improve "public safety", ban smoking, and forbid the sale of cheap electric coffeemakers and extension cords. Follow up by banning propane, and disallowing people keeping any sort of solvents or lubricants in their garages. Very very very few fires or structural collapses are caused by "hoarders", or at least by their possession. To claim so as a reason for stepping in and hassling little old ladies is absurd.

You're really clinging to this, huh?

Okay...

And then, in your throes of rhetorical desperation you say this:

"To claim so as a reason for stepping in and hassling little old ladies is absurd."

Uncouth, bae. Uncouth.


Let me illustrate something for you:

bae's world of "everyone is dumb":

Ol' Ultralight goes into a hoarder's house and sees 5 years worth of newspapers stacked up around the stove. And he thinks nothing of it.


Ultralight's world of "Not everyone is as smart at bae, but they are reasonably bright."

Ol' Ultralight walks into a hoarder's house and sees 5 years of newspapers stacked up around the stove. And he says: "By golly, that is a fire hazard."


Whoa! Mind-blown.

[bae]

bae's world of "everyone is dumb":

That's not what I said though, is it?

[JaneV2.0]

Thank you for this, bae. I see some fires started by candles--especially around curtains. I already follow all your proscriptions, except I have my computer, cable modem, and router connected to an outlet strip. Also, it goes without saying you need to keep your fire detectors working.

I haven't read much of this thread, because it just seems like an excuse to heap criticism on older people who gave up a lot of their lives to raise ungrateful/disgruntled/worried children. My parents had a houseful of stuff when they died because my father was frugal and tended to save tools and books, and my mother loved pretty things and surrounded herself with them, and they had lived in their good-sized house for decades. When they died, we hired people to sort and sell the possessions we had no use for. I can speak only for myself, but it seemed like the least we could do in exchange for their efforts on our behalf. I guess someone who lived in their parents' basement with a hot plate and one change of underwear would call it hoarding. I don't see it that way.

I hope to line up services before I die to deal with my property, so as to lessen any burden on my heirs. I also plan to leave the bulk of my estate, such as it is, to someone who will appreciate it--namely, animal charities.

[Ultralight]

I haven't read much of this thread, because it just seems like an excuse to heap criticism on older people who gave up a lot of their lives to raise ungrateful/disgruntled/worried children.

I think this statement shows profound misunderstanding of pretty much everything this thread is about.

1. Did these parents choose to have the kids? If so, then they did not "give up their lives."

2. Who are the ungrateful/disgruntled children you are speaking of?

[Ultralight]

I haven't read much of this thread, because it just seems like an excuse to heap criticism on older people who gave up a lot of their lives to raise ungrateful/disgruntled/worried children.

Here is the deal: If you choose to have kids and then you complain about it endlessly because you "gave up your life" for the kids. Then you ought not have ever been a parent. Boom! I said it.

Also: Being one of those entitled parents who think: "I gave my kids life! So now they owe me all sorts of stuff and should be at my service whenever I want." is incredibly troubling. That is backwards parenting. It is not like making kids is difficult work. And the tough work of raising kids is something the vast, vast majority of parents knew about well before deciding to have kids. So lump it.

I guess someone who lived in their parents' basement with a hot plate and one change of underwear would call it hoarding. I don't see it that way.

Who is this person?