Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[CathyA]

Well, I like a few of the things that trump says. We DO have problems in this country that aren't being addressed. BUT.............he's gone off the deep end. He's turned to insults/hate and got the crowds all worked up. If he had gone in a different direction with some of his concerns, I may have been a little interested.

I do the Thursday crossword in the local paper each week. Right next to it is a "Let it out" column, where people just say what they feel. I especially liked one comment that said "I'm beginning to think that Donald Trump is really a Democrat staging an elaborate ruse to discredit the GOP by acting like a complete moron." I've wondered the same thing.

But........there are so many issues here. We have a country that has encouraged all different groups/cultures that may not get along, but still have the same feelings that they are entitled to always get what they want. We have an economic system that encourages businesses to take their business over-seas, leaving so many here without jobs. We have a present government that is liberal and a congress that is conservative. We have local, state and federal government that throws our hard-earned money away on the stupidest things. We have a media that we can't trust. We have people telling us everyday what we need to buy/consume in order to have fulfilling lives. Its very hard to find truth and honesty any more. And yes, political correctness, I feel, can cover up a lot of problems that just keep surfacing up anyway, and are never dealt with.

And I have to admit that most of the people on this forum seem to be VERY liberal. I have concerns about some things, but easily get put down or discounted because I don't always have a very liberal stance on things.

Also, each of our viewpoints can vary, depending on our life experiences and the situations around us (like unemployment, crime, seemingly no voice in what happens around us, ignorance, getting nothing for our taxes, etc., etc.)

Back to Trump and the people he attracts..........I'm sure if he becomes president (oh no!!), he will screw those folks over within minutes (besides getting us into WWlll).

There is a lot for us to be grateful for in this country. We don't have a clue what its like to be in some other less-fortunate countries. But.........there are still lots of things that could be better. I don't want to feel like I can't address those those things without people telling me to move somewhere else..........or that I'm unpatriotic..........or a huge obtuse picture will appear on the screen for me to see.

I'm neither all democrat nor all republican. Seems like the more one side swings further left, the other side swings further right, and makes it impossible to ever come together.

I am not a Trump supporter, but I do agree with some of the issues he's bringing up. I don't agree with the way he's bringing them up and his narcissism and hatred.

And I do continue to wonder if this "experiment" that the original founders of this country started, is showing it's problems now.

[Chicken lady]

Cathy, we live is very republican township.

A tree fell on my neighbor's rebel flag pole and we accepted it as a "better late than never" act of God.

When my daughter got involved in a political discussion in high school, one of her classmates said "wait, your parents are * democrats*?" To which she replied, "no, my father is a socially liberal republican and my mother is insane." She has also described my political style as "libertarian communism" ("if we could all just treat each other with love we wouldn't need laws". or, "I believe you should not have to pay taxes. As long as you don't drive on roads, use libraries, law enforcement, courts, or emergency services, or benefit in any way from the education of other people's children.")

[catherine]

... She has also described my political style as "libertarian communism" ("if we could all just treat each other with love we wouldn't need laws". or, "I believe you should not have to pay taxes. As long as you don't drive on roads, use libraries, law enforcement, courts, or emergency services, or benefit in any way from the education of other people's children.")

haha! Chicken lady, I think we belong to the same political party!

[razz]

What a great thread! Well done, William!

Historically, these rebuttals are addressing the same issues that have plagued mankind since they gave up the nomadic life that was such a fragile existence in itself.

I remember reading about Susanna Moodie who immigrated to Canada with her husband, both coming from a genteel family who had servants etc., to prep their food, clothing each day. Once in North America, the servants discovered that they did not need to serve any longer and could live an independent life because they had the skills to survive. The genteel families struggled financially, froze and almost starved to death until they learned self-sufficiency.

I do understand the political correctness grumble though. One cannot be honest anymore as it might offend someone somehow. There is a victim mentality that pervades present society and I think the middle class white male is simply having his turn at being the victim. New experience!
I do love this smiley.

[Florence]

Oh how I do hope the Republicans actually nominate Trump!

[iris lilies]

Oh how I do hope the Republicans actually nominate Trump!

Like it or not, it may well be Trump's race to lose.

I am not the middle class white male the OP is lampooning,but I am always annoyed when the other side trys to represent my POV because they always do it hamhandedly with no nuance. It's just more hate junk out here on the web.

so, thanks tie the annoyance, maybe even the offense today. Can I Claim to be offended? Score!

[creaker]

Agree with Frugalone and Chickenlady. Sick of those who can't see how good they have it ranting about how "those lazy shiftless OTHERS" are going to take it all away... and then this:

I'm tired of people saying bullsh*t and being upset when they're called on it. If you don't care if you offend someone else, don't get your knickers in a twist if they ARE offended. YOU don't get to decide what should upset someone else. If you don't want to hear that they are offended, then shut the effing crap up to start with! Why do people think they should have the right to say any vile thing that drops out of their head, and everyone else should just smile and nod?????

I find this situation rather amusing - someone taking offense because someone said something offensive because they took offense to someone saying something offensive. It's all very circular. And it's odd people expect the other person to break the cycle.

[ApatheticNoMore]

I am sick of special interests getting special treatment.

so the answer to this is trump? But won't special interests continue to buy the congress members etc.? Doesn't any president need to work with congress? You may wish for a dictator but it doesn't mean you have the power to elect one. Wouldn't the answer to this that might actually work rather than seeking some political savior be to get a constitutional amendment (this is called Move To Amend) to get money out of politics? That's the most direct route, I suppose one could also try to create a counter force as powerful as all that money, but I don't see Trump alone doing it.

I consider urban America to be a war zone and no one is doing anything about it.

is this some kind of code for the worst areas of poverty. Urban america what a heck of a generalization, the majority of the population of the country also lives in urban areas at least more broadly defined and has for awhile now, even if they seem not to have much influence over early primaries because of how the primary system is set up.

I am willing to create chaos so as to restore order and reclaim my place in this country.

so is there any history of this working, and more specifically is there any history of electing fascists making things better overall? One could say various protest movements have created chaos but I don't actually think that's true. I think they were more often very focused on their goals, not creating random chaos that makes things worse in fact, in the hopes in made things better somehow, even when engaging in direct action etc..

I am ready for real change and I'm not going to be like the poor and expect it or like the very rich and purchase it.......no I am going to demand it and make it so.

by voting? how very passive and obedient of you really .... participating in a rigged game by their rules and thinking that will change things.

I am angry and my guy will make you feel uncomfortable.

So what are you going to do about it?

as far as voting, I don't know what I can, I'm not in a state with an early primary see, in fact we are the group of states with the very last primary of them all, way beyond when super Tuesday has determined everything, so I don't think my vote counts much. But there is a description on a website of an uncle I never met as they were long dead by the time I was born, opposing fascism in the 20s or 30s, and I reckon my position will be likewise. But is Trump properly classified as fascist, well he's a right wing populist who very directly uses racial issues for his political gain so ... He might just as easily be classified as a buffoon, but his ideas are still dangerous even if he's an ridiculous narcissistic reality t.v. show farce become reality.

[Alan]

It's always entertaining to see people who eschew stereotypes embrace them against the only demographic allowed by popular culture.

[JaneV2.0]

I'd say I despise most of what Trump stands for, but I suspect he doesn't believe half of what he's saying; he's just pulling the wool over the eyes of people gullible enough to believe his Hitleresque speeches. So who knows what he'd "believe" if actually had to perform.

I've pretty much stopped paying attention to any but the local news because I'm supremely tired of his toxic shtick, and he's getting 24/7 coverage on CNN.

Yeah, there's plenty wrong with the direction this country is going in, led by the New Robber Barons. I believe we can recover control, though, and I'm going to vote accordingly.