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    Quote Originally Posted by Williamsmith View Post
    Im your average white middleclass male. I make up well over half of the country especially if you include my influence over family and friends. And I am angry.

    I am tired of checking my words before I speak them just because I may offend someone who needs to just get on with their lives.

    I believe our condition calls for drastic measures and I am tired of sitting on the sidelines.

    I am angry and my guy will make you feel uncomfortable.

    So what are you going to do about it?
    I am very uncomfortable over the integrity of the leading republican candidate. Politifact shows that only 19 percent of his political statements are half-true or better. Compare that to Hillary who has 71% half-true or better and Bernie at 32%.
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I am very uncomfortable over the integrity of the leading republican candidate. Politifact shows that only 19 percent of his political statements are half-true or better. Compare that to Hillary who has 71% half-true or better and Bernie at 32%.
    http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
    That seems pretty low for Bernie. I read it as closer to 70% at Politifacts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    That seems pretty low for Bernie. I read it as closer to 70% at Politifacts.
    Yes. I stand corrected. Mia Culpa.

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    You know what I'm sick of? People with no work ethic who expect a handout to improve their situation. Prime example is the daughter of a coworker. The other day coworker and I actually had it out at lunch. Coworker is late 30s. Had daughter at 16. On welfare for a while, but got a job and worked her way up. She's Filipino. Daughter had a baby at 21, baby daddy barely in picture. Girl and baby live with my coworker. Girl works a little, driving for Uber, but only to make a bit of money. What set me off the other day is that coworker said she wished her daughter got help from the gov't. I told coworker her daughter getting pregnant without a husband or a steady partner was not my responsibility. If her daughter doesn't have the work ethic to actually keep working more than a bit, I'll be danged if I pay for that.

    I work my arse off. I can't stand people who have no work ethic. If you're not disabled or sick, you have no reason to be unemployed. Coworker's daughter is lazy, coworker is enabling her, and I told her so. I don't coddle people. I kick arse.

    I don't like Trump, but I'm plain spoken myself, so he's been entertaining to watch, that's for sure.

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    Interesting that you mention she's a Filipina. Is that relevant in some way?

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    I work my arse off. I can't stand people who have no work ethic. If you're not disabled or sick, you have no reason to be unemployed. Coworker's daughter is lazy, coworker is enabling her, and I told her so. I don't coddle people. I kick arse.
    women have done the not working to raise kids model for awhile. It's not entirely fair or right, but a lot of people will marry and let a man support them while they just raise kids (I have always been too proud to consider that frankly, it seems deeply wrong for the man to be the only one working outside the house - especially it seems unfair to the man - too much too shoulder alone). They'll say stuff like raising a kid is a job, but that has never been remotely plausible to me (it's effort, that is true, but it's not a job)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore View Post
    women have done the not working to raise kids model for awhile. It's not entirely fair or right, but a lot of people will marry and let a man support them while they just raise kids (I have always been too proud to consider that ....). They'll say stuff like raising a kid is a job, but that has never been remotely plausible to me (it's effort, that is true, but it's not a job)
    I used to be so jealous of my husband when I was home with the kids and he went to work, and had the freedom to take time off and go to lunch with his friends, go to the gym after work, and pretty much call his time his own, and reap recognition from his boss and peers while he was at it. I had no free time (as in zero), no recognition, no lunch, no gym.

    I've known a lot of corporate colleagues who cut their their maternity leave short because they'd rather be at work than at home with their kids.

    I'm not saying I regret my choice AT ALL, I'm just saying that it takes raising a child to know exactly how draining it is. Are there women who bring the nanny to the country club pool with them so they can sip wine and nap during the day? Sure, but that's the minority.

    But to Tradd's point, there are abuses all over. As liberal as I am, I do tend to get annoyed at anyone--whether a young single mother of ANY race or a wealthy person or a corporation--who tries to the game the system. It is annoying to be around people who take advantage of others--that's for sure, but that trait certainly crosses racial and ethnic lines--I could name white people in my own family who could claim it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    You know what I'm sick of? People with no work ethic who expect a handout to improve their situation. Prime example is the daughter of a coworker. The other day coworker and I actually had it out at lunch. Coworker is late 30s. Had daughter at 16. On welfare for a while, but got a job and worked her way up. She's Filipino. Daughter had a baby at 21, baby daddy barely in picture. Girl and baby live with my coworker. Girl works a little, driving for Uber, but only to make a bit of money. What set me off the other day is that coworker said she wished her daughter got help from the gov't. I told coworker her daughter getting pregnant without a husband or a steady partner was not my responsibility. If her daughter doesn't have the work ethic to actually keep working more than a bit, I'll be danged if I pay for that.

    I work my arse off. I can't stand people who have no work ethic. If you're not disabled or sick, you have no reason to be unemployed. Coworker's daughter is lazy, coworker is enabling her, and I told her so. I don't coddle people. I kick arse.

    I don't like Trump, but I'm plain spoken myself, so he's been entertaining to watch, that's for sure.
    Depending on the daughter's skillset she may well end up spending her entire paycheck on childcare. May as well stay home and bond with the kid.

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    I think Trump is only one aspect of the politics of anger. Bernie Sanders seems to me to be hawking the same snake oil from the other side of the street: promising peace and plenty if we will only join him in his hostility to the malefactors of great wealth. College campuses seem overrun with pampered proletarians demanding the power to quash the rights of the ideologically unworthy. In some cities, vandalism and looting seem to be an accepted form of political expression. The trendy new construct of "White Privilege" seems to be used primarily by white people seeking to race-bait other white people. Inequality is decried all over, particularly in the most unequal precincts, which are generally run by the party demanding equality. Rural militias take arms over who has authority over the middle of nowhere. Eveyrone seems to have a favorite villain.

    But are things really that bad? Are Lex Luthor and the Koch brothers cackling in their secret headquarters? Is Hillary Clinton drafting a lese majeste clauseto the first amendment? Has Goldman Sachs contracted with the NSA to outsource their credit rating function? Will the Obama administration gift us with a final series of Erastian executive orders to subdue the bitter clingers? Are we truly on the brink of chaos, strife and destitution?

    Or are we simply in a period of hysterical political rhetoric that will simply fade into a rather embarrassing footnote to a fairly uninteresting period of history?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
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    Or are we simply in a period of hysterical political rhetoric that will simply fade into a rather embarrassing footnote to a fairly uninteresting period of history?
    I hope you're right, even as I wish we could stifle the modern Robber Barons--at least a little. Eisenhower-era tax rates, anyone?

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