Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[Williamsmith]

Rob, the issue you bring up is narrow considering all the issues facing the nation as a whole. Mexico is foreign policy, security and economics as well.

But take a look at Clinton. She was leading the charge on Iraq in 2002. Gaddafi is dead almost directly because of Clinton foreign policy. She was deeply involved in regime change in Libya and created the mess we call ISIS in Syria. She has a consistent record......she makes things worse than any problem she tries to resolve. Does she get good marks for the Iranian Agreement? She is an ends justify the means foreign policy expert. She is an expert in using the United Nations as cover for military intervention without congressional approval. How about the annex in Benghazi and that fiasco. Her lies to the families of those killed?

I have to to laugh at the hypocracy of a candidate who rails against gun ownership in her own country when she is the architect of arms and ammunition smuggling which destabilized middle eastern countries not to mention fueled the murder of countless innocent citizens.

A famous joke goes like this, "If you hate this country so much, why don't you go live in another country?" And the answer to that is, "Because I don't want to be a victim of its foreign policy." Clinton has a real record of oppressing citizens from other countries.

Trump does not have a diplomatic bone in his body but please don't over look the abusive real historical record of Hillary Clinton and her global interventionism and love affair with the military.

[Williamsmith]

LDAHL,

To quote Gen. George Patton, a Trumpesque historical military figure who got things done but never in a politically correct manner.....

"A good plan violently executed right now is far better than a perfect plan executed next week."

We are sometimes faced with choices where delay and indecisiveness contribute to failure. Trump is definitely one of those. I sense that the primary goal is to keep Clinton from the White House, intuition is sometimes better than ridged principles. That good plan now is to support Trump rather than wait for a perfect candidate.

Would you be comfortable with three newly appointed Supreme Court Justices from the cache of cronies that the Clintons have made over their political career?

And democrats should not not forget the accusations Bernie has made ......... They are all true.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob, the issue you bring up is narrow considering all the issues facing the nation as a whole. Mexico is foreign policy, security and economics as well.

But take a look at Clinton. She was leading the charge on Iraq in 2002. Gaddafi is dead almost directly because of Clinton foreign policy. She was deeply involved in regime change in Libya and created the mess we call ISIS in Syria. She has a consistent record......she makes things worse than any problem she tries to resolve. Does she get good marks for the Iranian Agreement? She is an ends justify the means foreign policy expert. She is an expert in using the United Nations as cover for military intervention without congressional approval. How about the annex in Benghazi and that fiasco. Her lies to the families of those killed?

I have to to laugh at the hypocracy of a candidate who rails against gun ownership in her own country when she is the architect of arms and ammunition smuggling which destabilized middle eastern countries not to mention fueled the murder of countless innocent citizens.

A famous joke goes like this, "If you hate this country so much, why don't you go live in another country?" And the answer to that is, "Because I don't want to be a victim of its foreign policy." Clinton has a real record of oppressing citizens from other countries.

Trump does not have a diplomatic bone in his body but please don't over look the abusive real historical record of Hillary Clinton and her global interventionism and love affair with the military.

You are right, the issue I bring up is narrow. Agreed. BUT (and there's a HUGE BUT coming) - find yourself in that situation and suddenly this issue becomes much, much, much less narrow. It so happens at the moment I have decent insurance......but I will never turn my back on those who don't have access to insurance and I also understand that without a Democrat in office, I'm likely back to Mexico for health care. Of cource I am by definition permanently unable to trust America......of cource I am afraid of Trump for making Mexico at risk as a lifeline for so many Americans.

Granted there are MANY other issues in this election, I get that. This however given my life experiences in this country is absolutely critical. A close exit to affordable health care, an easy way to offshore it is beyond critical these days. Hillary would not mess with this via keeping the status quo. We are talking of human life here and the importance of accessing Mexico to maintain health and human dignity for so many people. That said, Hillary does come with enough baggage to sink the Titanic. I'll give all the conservatives here that. That means much less to me than keeping Mexico accessible as a safety net against the United States, however.

I get that Hillary has issues.....but she also brings with her platform continued protection against the United States for lower income US citizens who still can't access health care - fleeing to Mexico is not imperiled under Hillary. That's worth it's weight in gold. Rob

[LDAHL]

LDAHL,

To quote Gen. George Patton, a Trumpesque historical military figure who got things done but never in a politically correct manner.....

"A good plan violently executed right now is far better than a perfect plan executed next week."

We are sometimes faced with choices where delay and indecisiveness contribute to failure. Trump is definitely one of those. I sense that the primary goal is to keep Clinton from the White House, intuition is sometimes better than ridged principles. That good plan now is to support Trump rather than wait for a perfect candidate.

Would you be comfortable with three newly appointed Supreme Court Justices from the cache of cronies that the Clintons have made over their political career?

And democrats should not not forget the accusations Bernie has made ......... They are all true.

It's not apparent to me that Trump offers either a good plan or decisive execution. Just a focal point for resentment.

At this point, I don't know whether Trump or Clinton will do more harm to the country and the world. If Clinton is worse, she is only slightly worse. I will search for an honorable third choice, and rely on our ramshackle collection of constitutional checks on the arbitrary exercise of power.

[Teacher Terry]

Trump is just down right scary. He insults everyone and there is no way he can be diplomatic which is required of a president. The ACA was a good start but we really need single payer health insurance for everyone. Many people can't afford to use their ACA insurance because the deductibles are so high. When asked how he is going to make Mexico pay for the wall he wouldn't answer and just kept saying he would.

[razz]

I am careful about my input in this type of thread but may I offer one of my mother's favourite sayings based on her living through the burgeoning Hitler era and its consequences "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know".

[Williamsmith]

Trump is just down right scary. He insults everyone and there is no way he can be diplomatic which is required of a president. The ACA was a good start but we really need single payer health insurance for everyone. Many people can't afford to use their ACA insurance because the deductibles are so high. When asked how he is going to make Mexico pay for the wall he wouldn't answer and just kept saying he would.

On the Wall:

COMPELLING MEXICO TO PAY FOR THE WALL

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

• On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
• On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
• On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
• Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
• Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
• Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

From donaldjtrump.com

[LDAHL]

I am careful about my input in this type of thread but may I offer one of my mother's favourite sayings based on her living through the burgeoning Hitler era and its consequences "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know".

Which devil do we know better in this instance? The bloviator or the triangulator?

[creaker]

Now that Trump basically has the nomination tied up, it will be interesting to see how he modulates to try to reach the people his current message has not captured.

[Williamsmith]

Trump has a policy statement on healthcare also at the same website. Trump has a much more shall we say progressive approach to healthcare than any of the establishment republicans who are refusing to support him. It is not because of his so called lack of temperment to govern that they oppose him. It is because they can not control him and as such, their own future is at risk. By the way, the same reason they didn't support Cruz.