Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob, you have Libertarian candidates that believe in open borders......and have not profited from their public service to the tune of at least 21 million in speeches to Wall Street cronies. Do you think they are paying her for her opinions?

Truthfully I don't think you have anything to worry about. Democrats need the voters and Republicans need the cheap labor. There will be no wall.

I sure hope you are right. I see this potential wall as a major human rights violation on both sides of the border, meaning for US citizens/legal residents, too. Rob

[Alan]

Those Repubs at the time were just foolish and naive.

Speaking of foolish and naïve, I think too many today can't grasp the concept of free will and choice. As a conservative, I'd gladly join a union if one were available to me in an industry and location of my choosing. What I would not agree to is to be forced to join a union as a condition of gainful employment. There's a distinction there may have been lost on members of certain ideological groups.

[Ultralight]

It looks like Paul Ryan is putting his white horse back in the stable and endorsing The Donald.

And The Donald is apparently going to get enough delegates to easily clinch the nom.

GOP! I like this new look on you. You're beautiful, babe! Don't never shave! lol

[Ultralight]

Speaking of foolish and naïve, I think too many today can't grasp the concept of free will and choice. As a conservative, I'd gladly join a union if one were available to me in an industry and location of my choosing. What I would not agree to is to be forced to join a union as a condition of gainful employment. There's a distinction there may have been lost on members of certain ideological groups.

I don't think people should be forced to join a union. But I also don't think a union should be forced to protect and represent someone who is not a member.

[jp1]

I don't think people should be forced to join a union. But I also don't think a union should be forced to protect and represent someone who is not a member.

And I don't think the employer should have to pay the same wages and benefits to someone who doesn't join the union. If that individual decides that the union is not in his best interest he can negotiate his own wages and benefits.

[Alan]

And I don't think the employer should have to pay the same wages and benefits to someone who doesn't join the union. If that individual decides that the union is not in his best interest he can negotiate his own wages and benefits.

Which is what happens in non closed shop union environments. Win/Win, right?

[Ultralight]

Which is what happens in non closed shop union environments. Win/Win, right?

Actually no. The law mandates that an employee who is not a member of the union get all the same protection and representation that members get. That is why they are called freeloaders.

Unions and their members would not be upset about "right-to-work" laws and such if it were not for this mandate.

[catherine]

Breaking News: The State Department Inspector General determined that Hillary broke Federal rules on record-keeping. Also, she did not cooperate with the investigation.

[Williamsmith]

I don't think people should be forced to join a union. But I also don't think a union should be forced to protect and represent someone who is not a member.

This!

I was not a member of my police union. But I paid a fee equal to union dues to cover the cost of bargaining, implementing and enforcing the contract. It was known as a fair share fee. As a non member I still benefited as a bargaining unit employee. In this way, I enjoyed the benefits of union wages, better health insurance, and improved workplace environment/updated equipment and training that those in employment at non union jobs always were denied. In this way I also did not endorse or support political activities or candidates that did not espouse my beliefs.

The "Right to Work" movement is simply a union busting tool of right wing conservative government. Another answer to a problem that doesn't exist in order to push an agenda.

[Alan]

Actually no. The law mandates that an employee who is not a member of the union get all the same protection and representation that members get. That is why they are called freeloaders.

Unions and their members would not be upset about "right-to-work" laws and such if it were not for this mandate.

I was actually thinking of the distinction between closed shop union environments and non-union environments, not between 'closed' and 'right to work' union environments. But, I'm glad you brought up the 'freeloader' designation as I'm curious if you would apply it to other areas where people enjoy a mandated benefit without paying their fair share into a system, maybe in some aspects of expanded Medicaid?