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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    You keep referring to that word, 'right'. As Inigo Montoya might say, "I don't think it means what you think it means."

    You use it to refer to an obligation you wish the government to impose on individuals to benefit you, that is not a 'right'.
    I believe access to affordable health care is a basic human right, yes. Supporting me in this belief is the fact that such access is a feature included in the citizenship of every other developed nation on this planet. My question is.....why the expectation that America should not be held accountable for this by it's citizens? I just don't get the free pass America has been given on this one for years. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    OK IL....Ding! You win. You have a point here. The deductibles and Co pays are not affordable and we were indeed told they would be. Solutions? Medical tourism or immigrating out.....can you come up with anything else that minimizes vulnerability to American health care any better? Rob
    Sure. Change your perception of "affordable" and get with this program of the President. Stop eating a few times a week and build your emergency fund to $6,000. Or wait--heres a thought-- forgo trips to Austria and other European countries.

    Not to pick on you exclusively, I simply Do. Not. Believe . People....when they say they "cant afford" something when I see obvious spending in other areas. Their activities n belie their words.

    Like I said, you are not the only person I know (two sets of friends) who claim they cant afford anything like an ACA premium or deductions YET they have vacation properties and multiple houses and brand new kitchens and bathrooms and etc.

    so,yeah, sorry. I dont believe you.

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    [QUOTE=iris lilies;242811]Sure. Change your perception of "affordable" and get with this program of the President. Stop eating a few times a week and build your emergency fund to $6,000. Or wait--heres a thought-- forgo trips to Austria and other European countries.

    Not to pick on you exclusively, I simply Do. Not. Believe . People....when they say they "cant afford" something when I see obvious spending in other areas. Their activities n belie their words.

    Like I said, you are not the only person I know (two sets of friends) who claim they cant afford anything like an ACA premium or deductions YET they have vacations condos outof the country (not a timeshare!) and multile houses and brand new kitchens and batheooms and etc.
    Iso,yeah, sorry. I dont believe you.[/QUOTE The trip to Europe? My Mom paid most of it with money she inherited back in 2012/2013. I used the remainder of the money I inherited to pay for my part of the trip. I now have $600 of this money left which is sitting in a Roth IRA. I am out of debt thanks to this windfall but I also am pulling in around 18K a year.....True story. Wanna send over an accountant/auditor? It could be argued that I should not have travelled.....not willing to die before seeing the Homeland one last time. If that's unacceptable......what AM I doing in this country, come to think of it? As a side note, it's very nice to be done with credit cards and have them out of my life though......very much a blessing. Rob

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    Beyond what I posted above, does anyone else see insanity in my being in a subsidized ACA plan I can't afford to use but keep to avoid a fine and I still have to cross the border for health care? Anyone else think this is crazy? Rob

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    When hearing about the ACA I never thought it was going to come with such high deductibles that people would not be able to afford to use it. I don't think others thought that either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    When hearing about the ACA I never thought it was going to come with such high deductibles that people would not be able to afford to use it. I don't think others thought that either.
    Same here.....and I still agree with IL's long ago post that there would be winners and losers with the ACA. She was right in my book. I am a two time winner. Once for qualifying for Medicaid and now for only living three hours from Mexico. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    When hearing about the ACA I never thought it was going to come with such high deductibles that people would not be able to afford to use it. I don't think others thought that either.
    Maybe it would have helped if the Democrats read it before they signed it.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    Beyond what I posted above, does anyone else see insanity in my being in a subsidized ACA plan I can't afford to use but keep to avoid a fine and I still have to cross the border for health care? Anyone else think this is crazy? Rob
    Yes, it is insane. I don't understand why you still support the same people who forced it upon you.

    Plus, as a word of caution, this is what happens when you allow the government to assume control over your life.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    We should model it after what other countries have successfully done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teacher Terry View Post
    We should model it after what other countries have successfully done.
    So true.....so very very true. Rob

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