Trumps: White Angry Middleclass

[gimmethesimplelife]

[QUOTE=Alan;243569]You're confusing 'access' with free access. We're no different.[/QUOTE WE are very different. I an not speaking of free access but affordable access. Here America fails miserably. Rob

[Zoe Girl]

You have the same worth as anyone else, you just refuse to believe it.

That is very nice, and also I am not sure if anyone realizes how hard it can be sometimes. Some of us fee pretty beat up in our own ways. Internal self worth is essential, and right now I know I can't access it. Not really part of a political post, however too many recent suicides and attempted suicides in my awareness to be really detached on this issue.

[Alan]

WE are very different. I an not speaking of free access but affordable access. Here America fails miserably. Rob

We both have the same access, although for you, it boils down to whether or not you're willing to pay while not taking on some of the responsibility for ensuring a better outcome.

If I'm not mistaken, you have a college degree you've never used and allowed the citizens of Arizona to send you back to school for a certificate you've never used. You've had more opportunities than many to live the American Dream and for some reason have not. America has not failed you,

[iris lilies]

The incentive to quit working working years sooner and have access to high quality affordable health care is a very powerful morivator, too. Some people feel the way you do, and that's fine.....but not everyone does and some people will flee to improve the quality of their lives. Count me in the latter camp. Rob

No, you are not in the latter camp. Ya gotta actually flee. Action. That is different from words.

[herbgeek]

I an not speaking of free access but affordable access.

What do you consider affordable Rob? I took a quick look at the ACA plans for Arizona, and the most I was seeing as far as a co-pay was $50 for a bronze plan. How is that an "insane copay"? The copay is there to make sure people aren't being frivolous in doctor visits, but not so high as to prohibit someone who is truly sick.

As far as dental care, a cleaning and X rays costs me about $120. There have been many years I've just paid for that out of pocket. I also don't have a smart phone, don't go to Starbucks, or out to dinner much at all. I exercise at least 5 days a week, do lots of things to reduce stress, eat good fresh healthy food. Its my responsibility to take care of my own health. It drives me crazy to hear health care equated with medical care. The doctor is there for accidents and the things that couldn't be avoided, not to make me better when I make bad choices.

[bae]

Bae I guess it's who you want to believe reporting on what is really happening.

Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.

Stock buybacks aren't "hoarding". Sitting on piles of cash and note reinvesting it/distributing it as dividends/buying back shares to increase shareholder equity *is* generally hoarding, unless there is some plan for the use of the Scrooge McDuck -like piles.

Companies that sit on hoards of cash without abelievable plan for its use seem to eventually get targeted by other folks who swoop in, do a takeover, cut up the company into bits, and turn the capital to more efficient uses. This is of course not an instantaneous process, so you almost always can point at some poster-child corporation with tons of loot cluttering up its hallways.

[JaneV2.0]

What do you consider affordable Rob? I took a quick look at the ACA plans for Arizona, and the most I was seeing as far as a co-pay was $50 for a bronze plan. How is that an "insane copay"? The copay is there to make sure people aren't being frivolous in doctor visits, but not so high as to prohibit someone who is truly sick.

As far as dental care, a cleaning and X rays costs me about $120. There have been many years I've just paid for that out of pocket. I also don't have a smart phone, don't go to Starbucks, or out to dinner much at all. I exercise at least 5 days a week, do lots of things to reduce stress, eat good fresh healthy food. Its my responsibility to take care of my own health. It drives me crazy to hear health care equated with medical care. The doctor is there for accidents and the things that couldn't be avoided, not to make me better when I make bad choices.

(Bolding mine) My sentiments exactly--at least with regard to seeing doctors rarely, and for cause. I was just reading an article about the rise of n=1 care, in which treatment is geared to an individual, not handed out like Halloween candy, thoughtlessly, with no regard to if it actually works. The figures quoted in that article (numbers needed to treat) included 1 in 50 for statins, for example. That's a lot of wasted drugs discharged into the water supply, never mind the health sequelae. So you have to, as much as possible, take your health into your own hands, do your research, don't blindly trust corporate medical representatives, and be vigilant. I imagine that's pretty daunting for the average health care consumer.

[Williamsmith]

Perhaps you should reread what I wrote.

Stock buybacks aren't "hoarding". Sitting on piles of cash and note reinvesting it/distributing it as dividends/buying back shares to increase shareholder equity *is* generally hoarding, unless there is some plan for the use of the Scrooge McDuck -like piles.

Companies that sit on hoards of cash without abelievable plan for its use seem to eventually get targeted by other folks who swoop in, do a takeover, cut up the company into bits, and turn the capital to more efficient uses. This is of course not an instantaneous process, so you almost always can point at some poster-child corporation with tons of loot cluttering up its hallways.

Would you put Google, Apple and General Motors in that category? What I read points to these companies as leaders in the cash hoarding business.....are they subject to being cut into bits? Or is it more a clever way to avoid being taxed by shifting cash overseas. Or are they just waiting for a smarter investment with an optimistic view of the future?

[bae]

Apple is my personal poster child for a company that has more money than it has a clue what to do with, and which has expressed no believable plan for what to do with the cash in the future. Google maybe less so, I think Google is still trying to formulate a coherent plan.

[gimmethesimplelife]

That is very nice, and also I am not sure if anyone realizes how hard it can be sometimes. Some of us fee pretty beat up in our own ways. Internal self worth is essential, and right now I know I can't access it. Not really part of a political post, however too many recent suicides and attempted suicides in my awareness to be really detached on this issue.

Plus 1,000.....Thank You for your very human take. Rob