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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    Uh... no.

    Think of socialism this way:

    "Many hands make light work."
    "Many hands in your pocket."

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Of course it does. Investment bankers are the heralds of capitalism. They assemble the elements that advance new technologies, fund infrastructure and otherwise deploy resources efficiently.
    Maybe a third option for our mythical investment banker would be to go to South Sudan in a management/advisory role. She could recommend cutting the wages of the relief workers to 2/3 of a sack of rice. When they complain that they can no longer feed their families she could generously offer to hire on their wives and teenage kids, but only at 1/3 of a bag of rice per week since they'd likely be less efficient workers. The families would still be able to eat and now the organization could do even more good work. A win all the way around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I wouldn't call it "like a whipping boy", it's more that Rob has spent a lot of time and effort here asserting his right to other peoples expertise and effort at a cost he deems appropriate. Sometimes those assertions beg another viewpoint, one that liberals don't seem interested in providing.
    I find this call out of place. Given that I am now crossing the border to access expertise at a price I'm OK with.....why the judgement call here? If anything, one would think I should be respected for offshoring. See why I throw my zip code around? In the 85006 people "get" this. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Maybe a third option for our mythical investment banker would be to go to South Sudan in a management/advisory role. She could recommend cutting the wages of the relief workers to 2/3 of a sack of rice. When they complain that they can no longer feed their families she could generously offer to hire on their wives and teenage kids, but only at 1/3 of a bag of rice per week since they'd likely be less efficient workers. The families would still be able to eat and now the organization could do even more good work. A win all the way around!
    I nominate you for a promotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I find this call out of place. Given that I am now crossing the border to access expertise at a price I'm OK with.....why the judgement call here? If anything, one would think I should be respected for offshoring. See why I throw my zip code around? In the 85006 people "get" this. Rob
    Silly Rob... lol

    Offshoring is for the wealthy! Not for workin' schlubs like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    Silly Rob... lol

    Offshoring is for the wealthy! Not for workin' schlubs like you.
    I beg to differ. In this case, what's good for those living in North Scottsdale, Cave Creek, or Paradise Valley is good for those living in the 85006 too.....It's just that the motivations are different. The former offshore to build yet more wealth, the latter offshore to access basic human rights they are not worth in the US. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I find this call out of place. Given that I am now crossing the border to access expertise at a price I'm OK with.....why the judgement call here? If anything, one would think I should be respected for offshoring. See why I throw my zip code around? In the 85006 people "get" this. Rob
    It's not a judgment call as much as a questioning of your expectations. You've told us hundreds of times, if not more, of your dis-satisfaction with the United States over the cost of medical care, and advocated for governmental intrusion of markets, along with increased taxpayer responsibility to ensure end user costs you find acceptable, all the while asserting your 'right' to receive services from others under the guidelines you've established. You continued to complain when you received no-cost-to-you healthcare services under your states Medicare program as well as when the citizens subsidized your current insurance coverage.

    I'm sorry if you feel judged by the responses to the one subject you consistently bring up. My responses are always aimed at the notion that any of us have a 'right' to the services of another at costs outside of the providers control, but I don't think the point is getting across, even after all this time.

    As for your parting question, there are approximately 43,000 zip codes in the United States and I'm not sure what relevance the 85006 area has to a discussion of national importance, so No, I don't see why you throw it around.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    ... the notion that any of us have a 'right' to the services of another at costs outside of the providers control...
    Do you get any services of another at costs outside of the provider's control?

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    Quote Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler View Post
    Do you get any services of another at costs outside of the provider's control?
    Not outside of negotiated prices for services rendered and even then I wouldn't have the 'right' to set the terms the provider must adhere to.
    If I attempted that, I'd expect the service provider to suggest I find someone else.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Not outside of negotiated prices for services rendered and even then I wouldn't have the 'right' to set the terms the provider must adhere to.
    If I attempted that, I'd expect the service provider to suggest I find someone else.
    Maybe I need to state my point diffetently, then. By crossing the border, I take back some of the power over pricing - that's quite likely where the intense joy I feel once I cross the turnstile (sp?) and am in Mexico comes from. I refuse the role of victim by doing so and I vote with my feet. Rob

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