Recovering hoarders?

[Ultralight]

Allow me to illustrate.

Suppose I repeated some maxim like: "An apple a day keeps the doctor away!"

I am 36. If an 18 year old asked me for proof or the reasoning behind this and I said: "Hey kid, I am twice your age. I don't need to proof or reasoning. It is just true because that is my view and my experience that I remember."

Would that be rational?

[Ultralight]

UL, we are not all your projects, and we don't all need to be fixed by you.

The project comment I made really hit home for you...

[herbgeek]

It did. And crystallized for me what I had been seeing, but couldn't quite put into words yet. You keep poking at everyone else, sometimes in ways that are not very nice, for a reason I don't yet understand.

[catherine]

That sounds like an appeal to authority fallacy. Just because you are older than me does not mean you could not benefit from using the Steel Man technique.

Tell me about your experiments and why your conclusion holds water.

I would, but it would be too self-revealing. Let's just say it's a personal choice I've adopted to let people be who they are. Can I do any differently anyway? I'm not God, and since you don't believe in God I'm assuming you are unwilling to adopt that role, too.

[Ultralight]

It did. And crystallized for me what I had been seeing, but couldn't quite put into words yet. You keep poking at everyone else, sometimes in ways that are not very nice, for a reason I don't yet understand.

Boredom, herbgeek. Boredom.

[Ultralight]

I would, but it would be too self-revealing. Let's just say it's a personal choice I've adopted to let people be who they are. Can I do any differently anyway? I'm not God, and since you don't believe in God I'm assuming you are unwilling to adopt that role, too.

You kinda zinged me here! haha

[iris lilies]

Boredom, herbgeek. Boredom.

or God complex.

[Ultralight]

or God complex.

A carpenter repairs and builds things. Maybe I have a carpenter complex!

[Chicken lady]

So he thinks he's Jesus?

i went to get a goat. the thread grew three pages. I am still wondering about the store container "Tupperware". Also, UA can poke at me all he wants. I think it is probably good for both of us. And I am a tough old bird.

no, the landfill is not a warehouse of potential. That which goes into the landfill is not coming out in my lifetime and even if recovered someday has lost a lot of potential use.

also, I do not think focusing ones life on not hoarding is a good solution. 1) it is a very depressing thought, and 2) focusing on not hoarding is just another kind of focusing on stuff, and NOT focusing on stuff is one of the goals here.

I know I am making progress not because I throw the empty feed bags away, but because one day, I realize I threw the empty feed bag away without really thinking about it!

[Ultralight]

I don't think focusing on not-stuff is the same as focusing on stuff.

Is eating a diet of all junk food the same as eating a diet of fresh healthy foods? I mean, it is still focusing on food.

People say minimalism is as bad as hoarding because it is still all about focusing on stuff. And that makes no sense. Once the stuff is jettisoned and you turn off the acquisition valve then badda-boom-badda-bing -- you are focused on whatever you really wanted to focus on (writing, jogging, meditating, raising weasels, whatever).

Here is another thought:

I think that the point of waste is when the materials are extracted from the environment.

So save all the plastic cups you want. That does not change the wastage. It rearranged the plastic cups on the dining tables on the deck of the Titanic though.