Recovering hoarders?

[Teacher Terry]

UL: that article was really good. Without therapy the people relapse and go back to their old ways and eventually need another clean out, etc. It is like someone quitting drinking on their own-what you get is a dry drunk. I think as a society we tend to over schedule ourselves. At one point in my life when I was attending college f.t. and had 3 kids, etc I never watched tv or read a book for pleasure because I was way too busy. I made sure my kids were not over scheduled and had lots of time for free play. When people have too much to do each day they get grumpy. In semi-retirement I allow plenty of time for doing whatever I want. It makes for a better life. I do not jam pack my days.

[Ultralight]

Busyness is a kind of debt.

http://www.raptitude.com/2015/09/bus...-kind-of-debt/

[Ultralight]

Earlier in this thread, somewhere, we talked about whether or not hoarding is greed. Most folks seemed to agree, hoarding is not greedy.

If hoarding is not greed, then what is greed?

Now I realize this seems like a huge question.

But..here is google-provided definition of greed:

"Intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food."

Is a chronic over-eater with morbid obesity greedy?

Is a super-rich guy who makes tons and tons of money, more than he could ever spend greedy?

Is Trump greedy for wanted political power?

So is a person who wants way, way, way more stuff than they need greedy?

Or do they have a mental illness. And if they have a mental illness does not the over-eater, the Donald, and other super rich guy who amasses wealth he cannot ever spend or enjoy?

[Teacher Terry]

Another interesting article. To answer your question I think it depends on the person. Some may merely be greedy while some may have a MI.

[Ultralight]

Another interesting article. To answer your question I think it depends on the person. Some may merely be greedy while some may have a MI.

But how would the distinction be made?

[Teacher Terry]

By the person in question being willing to take a psych eval by a licensed professional qualified to diagnose.

[Chicken lady]

Or perhaps it's like "not guilty by reason of insanity" I think it should be very easy to make the arguement that killing another human in cold blood is not a sane thing to do. (Or, as I sometimes asked my kids "what made you think that was ok?")

there are Native American philosophies that view the entire western civilization as a mental illness - based in part on our relationship to material objects.

also, if you believe the studies that show hoarding has a genetic component, I'd argue that even with therapy what you have is a "dry drunk."

but I am really hoping UL will come back with some thoughts on this cheesecake pan.

[ApatheticNoMore]

there are Native American philosophies that view the entire western civilization as a mental illness - based in part on our relationship to material objects.

it is, it is.

but I am really hoping UL will come back with some thoughts on this cheesecake pan

Well you can probably make cheesecakes in just a regular pan, like a regular glass Pyrex or something, I've seen it done. Homemade cheese cakes with a crumbly crust are great (no I don't eat them every day ).

[Ultralight]

By the person in question being willing to take a psych eval by a licensed professional qualified to diagnose.

What does the eval contain? Which criteria?

Is a rich person greedy or do they just like lots of money? Are the two really different?

So is a hoarder greedy because they have mountains of stuff or are they just a person who likes lots of stuff?

[Ultralight]

there are Native American philosophies that view the entire western civilization as a mental illness - based in part on our relationship to material objects.

This is how I feel!

also, if you believe the studies that show hoarding has a genetic component, I'd argue that even with therapy what you have is a "dry drunk."

What does the dry drunk equivalent to a hoarder look like?

but I am really hoping UL will come back with some thoughts on this cheesecake pan.

If you love cheese cake and you love making it and you otherwise eat a health diet then maybe it is okay to get the pan. But I personally think it might be better to buy a few specialty cheesecakes a few times a year instead -- Thanksgiving, Xmas, your b-day, for instance.