How many more?

[gimmethesimplelife]

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...e-0141854-g008

Interesting study on the likelihood of getting shot by police. Apparently unarmed black men are about 3.49 times more likely to be shot by cops than unarmed white men.

And overall they found that armed white men are about equally likely to be shot by cops as unarmed black men. The differences vary quite a bit by county, but a few counties stood out as especially disparate. From that part of the study:

"It is notable that Miami-Dade (FL, contains Miami), Harris (TX, contains Houston), and Cook (IL, contains Chicago), stand out as counties where the ratio of {black, unarmed, and shot by police} to {white, armed, and shot by police} is elevated to 19.08"

My question is....how do we as a society fix this? How do we even get some to understand that there is a real problem here that needs fixing? I personally don't have much if any hope on this one and dread the continued downward spiral on this issue that America has earned. Rob

[Zoe Girl]

This is very interesting to me, and makes some sense of reconciling the police officers I know with what is happening

http://thegrio.com/2015/05/12/fbi-wh...w-enforcement/

[bae]

Perhaps the very model of policing we use today is fundamentally flawed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-mu...b_7871434.html

[Tradd]

This was an interesting watch:

https://youtu.be/yfi3Ndh3n-g

Phoenix activist who protested against police shootings went through shoot/no shoot training with the local sheriff's department.

[jp1]

Perhaps the very model of policing we use today is fundamentally flawed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-mu...b_7871434.html

I actually kind of like this idea. Instead of turning police into glorified meter maids to generate revenue for their city have them actually focus on real crime instead of BS like selling loose cigarettes or busted taillights.

[bae]

Instead of turning police into glorified meter maids to generate revenue for their city have them actually focus on real crime instead of BS like selling loose cigarettes or busted taillights.

And citizens and politicians need to realize that when they demand these sort of BS laws be passed in the first place ("no soda sales larger than 16 ounces") they are really saying "I'm willing to have an armed police officer use lethal force and shoot you dead if you disagree".

My county passes BS "feel good" laws every year, rarely doing the people passing the things think of the consequences. Luckily, here, the current Sheriff doesn't enforce the silly stuff, but each year the code book gets thicker.

Must be all sorts of fun living in a community where local law enforcement/government decide to use this stuff to raise revenue, or to oppress unfavored classes of people...

[Teacher Terry]

I favor the "fireman" approach to law enforcement. Also it was interesting to read the article stating that white supremacists are becoming cops-ugh!!

[Lainey]

I like the "photograph and send a ticket" approach, like speed cameras, for things like busted tail lights. No need to pull anyone over, nothing gets escalated.

I also like body cameras on officers and GoPro cameras in vehicles, as well as security cameras generally. However, citizens have to realize the tradeoff of 24 hour surveillance vs. privacy and freedom, and right now I believe most are ready to sacrifice that for their security. London (CCTV everywhere), here we come.

Two more data points: Timothy McVeigh, the bomber of the Oklahoma City federal building (168 killed), was caught 90 minutes after the bombing when he was pulled over by a highway patrol officer for driving without a license plate. Jodi Arias, convicted murderer of Travis Alexander, was stopped and questioned about an upside down license plate. (It was not what led to her being captured, but it placed her in an area at a certain point in the time line of the crime.)
So if we really don't want more proactive policing, we have to realize these 2 would never have been stopped in the first place.

[iris lilies]

I like the "photograph and send a ticket" approach, like speed cameras, for things like busted tail lights. No need to pull anyone over, nothing gets escalated.

I also like body cameras on officers and GoPro cameras in vehicles, as well as security cameras generally. However, citizens have to realize the tradeoff of 24 hour surveillance vs. privacy and freedom, and right now I believe most are ready to sacrifice that for their security. London (CCTV everywhere), here we come.

Two more data points: Timothy McVeigh, the bomber of the Oklahoma City federal building (168 killed), was caught 90 minutes after the bombing when he was pulled over by a highway patrol officer for driving without a license plate. Jodi Arias, convicted murderer of Travis Alexander, was stopped and questioned about an upside down license plate. (It was not what led to her being captured, but it placed her in an area at a certain point in the time line of the crime.)
So if we really don't want more proactive policing, we have to realize these 2 would never have been stopped in the first place.

I dont want less proactive policing.

Just making that clear.

[jp1]

I like the "photograph and send a ticket" approach, like speed cameras, for things like busted tail lights. No need to pull anyone over, nothing gets escalated.

I also like body cameras on officers and GoPro cameras in vehicles, as well as security cameras generally. However, citizens have to realize the tradeoff of 24 hour surveillance vs. privacy and freedom, and right now I believe most are ready to sacrifice that for their security. London (CCTV everywhere), here we come.

Two more data points: Timothy McVeigh, the bomber of the Oklahoma City federal building (168 killed), was caught 90 minutes after the bombing when he was pulled over by a highway patrol officer for driving without a license plate. Jodi Arias, convicted murderer of Travis Alexander, was stopped and questioned about an upside down license plate. (It was not what led to her being captured, but it placed her in an area at a certain point in the time line of the crime.)
So if we really don't want more proactive policing, we have to realize these 2 would never have been stopped in the first place.

But they weren't stopped. They were caught after the fact. The damage had already been done. Truly proactive policing would have prevented their acts. But proactive policing seems to mainly be about stop and frisk and other such crap. Cast a wide enough net and surely you'll catch a couple of fish.

Personally I wish the fourth amendment still existed more than just theoretically.