How many more?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I think the process would be:

1. Get arrested for failure to disperse (a misdemeanor offense most places).
2. Successfully sue for false arrest.
3. Successfully establish damages of "multiple millions" in physical or psychological harm and diminished employment prospects.
4. Collect said millions.
5. Invest some portion of said millions in obtaining citizenship in some more congenial country.
6. Take comfortable satisfaction in the punishment you inflicted on "America" (aka the taxpayers).

My point awhile back was that there have been life ruining arrests scattered across the US for no reason whatsoever, not even for a failure to disperse. Just random arrests as some police don't care for protestors having the nerve to protest this issue. In this case my personal belief is that any settlement of less than 300 million is too little. There has to be a point where we as a nation give up and cash in.....maybe that will lead to quicker changes in the system anyway?

Were I arrested for no reason whatsoever I'd gun for top dollar, not so much for the money but due to retaliatory moral outrage. Certainly in the 85006 this is what we believe the best hope for change is - a relentless stream of crippling legal settlements. I wish things were not this way.....but for those of you who don't understand, look at it this way. To have your life ruined by being arrested for no reason - the police are viciously drawing first blood in this case. My way keeps the perps alive and gives the victims of the police hope for a future regardless of an unwarranted arrest record. Actually, what I advocate is more humane than what the police dish out. Rob

[LDAHL]

I don't think there's much basis in law for "retaliatory moral outrage".

[bae]

My point awhile back was that there have been life ruining arrests scattered across the US for no reason whatsoever, not even for a failure to disperse. Just random arrests as some police don't care for protestors having the nerve to protest this issue.

How many of these arrests have been made across the US?

What charges were filed for these "no reason" arrests?

What ended up on the person's permanent record for the "no reason" arrest?

Were I arrested for no reason whatsoever I'd gun for top dollar, not so much for the money but due to retaliatory moral outrage. Certainly in the 85006 this is what we believe the best hope for change is - a relentless stream of crippling legal settlements.

Where does the money to pay off that "crippling legal settlement" come from? Who does it actually cripple?

[Ultralight]

And another one...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...istic-patient/

When will the white privilege deniers wake up?

[Lainey]

How many of these arrests have been made across the US?

What charges were filed for these "no reason" arrests?

What ended up on the person's permanent record for the "no reason" arrest?



Where does the money to pay off that "crippling legal settlement" come from? Who does it actually cripple?

Real-life examples: read Matt Taibbi's book "The Divide: American Injustice in the Age of the Wealth Gap."

or check out the continuing saga of our famous Sheriff Joe who is now - finally - starting to back off from his continued defiance of federal law regarding detaining and arresting people he suspected of being illegals. It took a determined judge to make him understand sheriffs are not above the law.

[LDAHL]

And another one...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...istic-patient/

When will the white privilege deniers wake up?

What would "waking up" entail in practical terms? Do history's favored children need to acknowledge a sort of original sin along the lines of a Maoist self-criticism circle? Is it enough to color-blindly treat everybody with equal respect and decency, or do we need to submit to some sort of moral/political handicapping system and consciously look for opportunities for remedial action?

How would you see the behavior of people of good will differing between someone who accepts the idea of "white privilege" from an equally decent person who doesn't?

[bae]

Real-life examples: read Matt Taibbi's book "The Divide: American Injustice in the Age of the Wealth Gap." .

I was asking for data, not anecdote. Given the size of the USA, I can find an anecdote to support almost any claim, which is why I like to look a bit deeper....

[gimmethesimplelife]

I've come back to add to this thread after more police shootings have taken place around the US. For once I'm going to go against the majority of thinking in the 85006, which can be summed up by the police made this bed, let them sleep in it. I am very much against the shootings of police officers just as much as I am against a culture that allows police to kill with minimal if any checks/balances/consequences. I don't see any answers here for a permanent fix, I think America is now too far gone for that. Given that I don't advocate violence, my advice from the lower classes is as follows:

1. The best law enforcement encounter is one that never happens. Given that police are visual predators, give them nothing to see they can latch onto.

2. No excuses.....NEVER leave home without a fully charged smartphone with video abilities for proof for potential lawsuits/Internet retaliation against police brutality.

3. It helps to be on good terms with your neighbors. Let all neighbors know of any suspicious police activity ASAP. It helps if neighbors have a phone tree so this info can quickly move along.

4. Know your rights. Never resist but also never cooperate. Repeat many times - AM I being detained? Am I free to go? NEVER consent to any search, no exceptions. Do not be rude or seek to escalate or instigate, but do not cooperate.

5. NEVER trust a word an officer has to say....they lie like rugs on the floor and get away with it. Post video of officers lying online if possible for public awareness.

These are but a highlight of current thought of police/citizen relations in the 85006. And yes, America has sunk to this for many. Rob

[iris lilies]

Rob, your post reminds me that my yard signs will be arriving shortly. I ordered "Thank you, police" yard signs from Vistaprint earlier in the week.

[Ultralight]

Rob:

I am going to be honest with you, bro. And keep in mind that I am a liberal -- and I mean Lefty McLefterson Liberal.

It is not as bad as you make it out to be. There are some serious problems in this nation's police force. This nation's culture has some serious white supremacy issues. True...

But on a grand scale, the vast majority of cops are decent folk. And many, many Americans are giving up their prejudices.

Think about these things:

-On this very forum a serious conservative has quoted and aligned himself with MLK's views on judging people by the content of their character.

-Over the past 100 years in this nation we've made major progress on racial issues -- no more Jim Crow laws, no more legal segregation, interracial marriage is practically normalized at this stage, black folks can often do any kind of work they want.

-The GLBTQQI community has full, universal marriage rights in all states.

-Women still have the right to choose.

-In this country we can take video of police making arrests

-In this country we can speak out against police brutality, we can take legal action, protest, etc.

-White privilege is something we can debate -- it is part of our vocabulary.

-Blacks, the GLBTQQI folks, Muslims, Jews, Christians, and even an atheist or two have been able to seek public office and win.

Think about these things and other things like them. We're not as bad off as you may think.

Yes, we have serious social, political, economic, and cultural issues. We do... We really do. But keep some perspective.

I wish we could turn mud into marble overnight. But that is just not realistic at this juncture.