That first quoted sentence, seems to fit parents as well as Trump. Do as I say, not as I do.Originally Posted by sweetana3
Then again, I expect it fits most of Congress, as they are exempt from their laws in so many cases.
The later part, isn't that something that hasn't ever changed? I thought the founding fathers even believed that, as they gave us the right of free speech, freedom of assembly, etc.
Shocked that many believe this is new.
My "news feeds" have been full of all sorts of outrageous tales from both "sides". Often when I did, I find no substantiation, or outright fabrication. I'm curious what the before/after incident rate really looks like, and what's really going on...
- Is there just increased reporting of valid incidents, and this has been going on all along?
- Has the rate gone up/down/sideways?
- Are the incidents what they really seem? Are they actually associated with the "side" or "-ism" they appear to be?
Have any of you personally witnessed anything untoward? I've seen very little out here, but our community is the most liberal one in the state - Trump only got ~25% of the vote here. I was verbally assaulted in our local pub right after the election, seemingly for simply being male, white, privileged, and not-a-Hillary-voter. It nearly became physical assault, but the young lady who was coming after me was too inebriated to carry out her intent, as the height of the bar stool was incompatible with her motion.
This might have been totally unrelated to Trump, but I recently was in line at my local grocery-of-choice when the man behind me started ranting loudly about the slowness of the checker--"a 'retard' could do it faster than that!" He went on about the quality of the employees, on and on.
I apologized, tongue in cheek, for having a huge order, and noted "But still you shop here." The manager, who was checking us out, told her staff to watch for him and call security if he came in and started harassing her staff again.
I've never experienced such sustained, overt rudeness at a local business, and I'm convinced that Trump's boorishness has given a license to all his fellow boors, bullies, and haters to act out accordingly. I could be wrong,
I think it is a bad thing if boobs from our lower echelons of society take the Trump victory as a signal to act with barbarism and boobery by bullying fellow students. There is no doubt in my mind that some boobs ARE doing that, some, as in "a few".
Bullys need no special inspiration, they grab whatever idea is in front of them at the moment to use as justification to badger somene else.
I dont buy in whole the idea that there is a sudden increase in bullying and that is due to Donald Trump. These are perceptions, and biased perceptions at that, from a largely female population of professionals in education who do not like Trump.
What I've learned about living in a zip code that has one of the highest murder rates in the world is this: perception is reality when it comes to fear. Perception that bullying has increased is the same as "bullyinghas increased" in the human arena and all measures showing otherwise wont matter, people are gonna believe what they believe.
Sround here we work to reduce crime as well as the perception of crime because an ordinary measure of crime tells only part of the story. It doesnt make the average Moe feel safer if he is the one who was last week's victim even though overall crime stats may be down. Keeping street lights lit, encouraging neighbors to install outdoor lighting, organizing citizen patrons, workong with police to,get more coverage--these are a few of the actins we take. Do,they really make a difference? Wjo know, but proactive work is good for the mental health of people who,famcy themselves victims.
My own neighborhood has seen an 11% rise in crime over last year and a particularly annoying spat of recent small crimes from a trio of boys from the Projects. I do not ascribe their thievery to being mad about Trump's campaign and election, I just thnk they are mini-thugs doing what thugs-in-training do.
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I think it's high time we come down hard on people who do bad things. They're given too many chances and then make others think they can do bad stuff and get away with it. I'm not liberal at all in this regard. Would we be so tolerant of cancer in our bodies? These people are cancers to our society and we do very little about it. That is contributing to our problems in the U.S. today too.......among a few hundred other things......
Maybe if we drained the prison swamp, we'd make some progress. Yes, I believe in capital punishment.
The kids have been very vocal for about a year and a half on both sides, a lot of kids wanted to say things about Trump throughout the last year. We do not let them name either candidate, and my relationship has not changed with them or the parents because I know how they voted. I have spent a lot more time with parents who are struggling however. I have spent the last 6 years in this job working on having my afterschool activities reflect the community around race, income and language. The first 2 years was spent working on having more kids and families of color involved, even working with staff to have staff that reflect our community, and as a result I have some very strong relationships. I intentionally work with families that are struggling with behavior and learning issues, making sure we have an afterschool program that can meet their needs, some of them did vote for Trump. They get as much protection and support from me as anyone else. Right now the parents who are sharing with me are reporting racially based effects. So this is not a newsfeed from across the country for me. I also feel like sharing too much details just keeps looping around, arguments about how they shouldn't feel that way or need to prove they are at risk,
As far as too high to manage we have a variety of ways to work with that. In previous years I have had a couple families in distress, kids would shut down, refuse to speak, run from program. It was a longer project including just sitting with them physically, offering art materials, communicating with teachers and social services, creating behavior plans, and sometimes just feeding them more.
I haven't witnessed anything different but have heard a few reports from friends of of anglo arrogance that surfaced after the election. Simple things like, speak English, this is America.
Per the OP, I don't think there is really anything a person can do right now to make Trump's time of office more difficult. I only see a time sink to vent frustrations. I do see some comparisons to the 60's and suspect the time will come for organized citizen movements to address or disrupt specific issues. Right now the opportunities I see are to be true to one's beliefs and to speak up or act when we see things in our daily routines that are not right. There may be chances to interact with people from the "other side" to get some better understanding, explain a position, or find some common ground.
I believe in punishment for serious crimes--in not-for-profit government-run institutions--but I don't support capital punishment, because you can't say "Oops, my bad" if you execute the wrong person. I'm not particularly troubled by some beyond-a-doubt torture slayer getting offed; maybe I should be. But the DP is applied very unequally (the Green River Killer, with dozens of victims, got LWOP) and often with prejudice. We could drain the prison swamps by letting all the low-level drug offenders out, but prisons are big business in this country, so don't look for it to happen any time soon.
I don't find this arrogant! People in the US speak English. It used to be that immigrants who came here learned English and tried to fit in. We should not be put out because people who come here don't choose to learn our language IMHO. Personally, when I travel to other countries I try to learn some of the language just to get around. If I planned on living there you can be sure I would learn the language!!!!!!
Many, many people speak English as a second language (or third, or fourth, etc.), and will fall back on other languages when talking to family, friends, etc. Just because someone is not speaking English doesn't mean they don't. But many people seem to get annoyed anyway when they hear it in public, and seem more concerned about people speaking in other languages in their presence than whether or not they know English.
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