sorry Ziggy, for me and millions of others its ABO, anybody but Obama, even if I have to hold my nose and vote for goodhair.
sorry Ziggy, for me and millions of others its ABO, anybody but Obama, even if I have to hold my nose and vote for goodhair.
Catwoman, do you really think that will help? For me a few years ago, and 4 years before that, it was ABB, but frankly I haven't seen much of a difference in the past 27 months from the previous 96. We've got even more wars going on, more bank bailouts going on (from what I saw no one in the mainstream press, except Planet Money, even mentioned the 1.25B purchase of garbage assets from banks that the federal reserve did even though this was nearly 50% bigger than the original TARP), the re-upping of the Patriot Act, more demonization of medical marijuana, etc. Regardless of what happens in November 2012 I expect the 48 months beginning in January 2013 will be pretty much the same as the previous 48 months. They'll be all about big, rich, connected people and corporations continuing to get rich at the expense and pain of all of us "little people".
I thought I did a pretty good job of providing citations, however, upon retrospect I should have taken the time to look up and properly cite the allegation regarding the Southern Center For Human Rights. This is a link to an open letter from Stephen Bright, former director of the SCHR for your perusal.Originally Posted by redfox
As for my comments about selling fear, a simple google search will show lots of commentary and examples. In case you don't have the time, here's one for your consideration.
On your request to discuss the morally neutral/morally manipulative discernment, I think that's probably best reserved for a thread of it's own. If you'd like to start one, I'll be happy to give you my thoughts on that as well.
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Yes, jp1, I do think it will help because most of the problems you describe can be laid at the feet of BHO. He's gotta go!!!
Catwoman, I hope you're right. Personally I don't agree. Obama didn't start the problem, he's just continuing policies that were long in place before he arrived. The next occupant of the white house, whether he moves in in 2013 or 2017, will likely continue them.
Oh, oh, oh, yeah right! It couldn't have been anything GWB did, because he went directly to the Lord in prayer before he made the big decisions he did. Give me a break.
Thank you!
There are valid arguments for some of the charges leveled against Mr. Dees, and many have disagreed with the SPLCs focus on high profile cases, (and, yes, some personal grandstanding over the years, and marketing methods), but the SPLC and Mr. Dees and company hit on what has proven to be the most effective way to deal blows to hate groups, which is to go after their pocketbooks. And by taking them to court, and winning lawsuits against their assets, they have crippled the operations of a number of groups that were spreading hatred and advocating violence.
Most groups use the most lurid marketing possible.....face it, the Family Association under discussion as a sponsor of the planned "prayer" extravaganza has done it's own lurid marketing, and in their case, outright lying, about gays and lesbians, and has played on the fears of homophobic and fundamentalist people to gin up fears of "the homosexual agenda", "destroying our young people", etc.
The Democrats send out literature that makes it seem that if Republicans are elected, our country will fall apart, and the Republicans seem to think that somehow Barack Obama (and not Congress) is at fault for everything that is wrong in this country, including much that was going on or had already happened before he even became President. Marketing is mostly what happens in this society, and most want to push their agenda, as opposed to asking themselves what behaviors would be best for our society and how they can compromise and work with people of varying viewpoints to move our country forward. That is just reality.
I don't think that most who "lean right" support hate groups, Alan, and that isn't what I said. I should hope that all Americans of any intelligence, right or left, would want to stand up against hatred and violence against any people as a group, especially when such groups are being attacked simply for their race, sexual orientation, religion, etc.
As I said, I'm glad that the SPLC is there, standing in the breach, trying to protect against hatred. Perhaps there are people (I'm sure there are) who see the American Family Association as standing in the breach, trying to protect "real Americans" from that homosexual agenda, gays trying to subvert and destroy Christian young people, etc. I'm just not one of them, and I hate that my governor is associating himself with such hatred and bigotry.
I agree that's not what you said.
But it is what you implied. Thanks for almost clearing that up.One would think that even most rightwingers in this country would find it distasteful to be aligned with these haters, but.......
"Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein
Well, certainly SOME rightwingers are supportive of those groups, since most of those groups have a distinctly "rightwing" flavor and orientation. But I certainly don't think most Republicans/conservatives would countenance the KKK, Aryan Nation, etc.
But to call the SPLC "left wing" or say that it comes down on the "left" all the time, because of their work against such groups is to say, I guess, that care about civil rights, protection of vulnerable groups being discriminated against, harassed, mistreated and lied about is just a "left" issue, as opposed to an American issue. Which puzzles me. Because it's hard for me to see anyone, right or left oriented, who would want to defend hate groups, or call the people who fight against them "left". I would think that fighting against hatred and bigotry would be an AMERICAN issue, and as such, people would be standing up against it, not supporting it.
Which is why I am angry and upset that my governor is aligning himself with a group that preaches hate and lies and misleads about gays and lesbians in an effort to raise money through fear that the "homosexual agenda" is going to take over our country, and "those people" are going to defile our young people, molest them and are sexual predators just by being gay or lesbian. We should ALL be standing up against such stuff.
Thanks for "almost" understanding. ;-)
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