"drowning in your rhetoric here LC, though that was your desired effect...point being maybe some of those nasty Christians praying with Rick Perry believe that homosexuality is, sharp intake of breath, a sin... if them saying that outloud is "lies, hatred and bigotry" then free speech in this country is lying prone with the bootheel of an intolerant left atop its throat...You can spin as much as you want to spin, its a matter of opinion, beliefs, etc.. "
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Catwoman, RedFox and others have said what I would say, but even better, so I won't bother to say all I could say. Of COURSE the American Family Association and the people who you are calling "nasty Christians" have very right to believe as they like. If they believe that homosexuality is sinful, and they feel those tendencies in themselves, they are free to "pray the gay away" from themselves, and do whatever feels necessary to make sure that they do not "fall into sin", by remaining celibate, or whatever suits their fancy.
I defend every person's right to have the religious beliefs they have and to live their own lives in accordance with those beliefs.
However, America is not and never has been a "Christian Nation", but is a secular, pluralistic society made up of citizens of many religions, none at all, as well as the many variations of Christian belief.
Where it comes to the American Family Association and other organizations similar to them is their efforts to impose THEIR religious beliefs on others, try to get laws passed that will affect or control those citizens who are not of their religious belief and do not share their outlook. And to try to do so by spreading demonstrable falsehoods about the people they feel are "sinful", and trying to control their lives.
When gay and lesbian organizations attempt to prevent Christian men and women from getting married, when they try to get laws passed to infringe on their rights, when they spread lies about them, and try to prevent them from enjoying the equality with every other citizen in this country, then I will speak out against any such organization. But, as Peggy said, I don't see gays and lesbians sitting around obsessing about the sex lives of fundamentalist Christian people, so it would seem reasonable for such Christian people to keep their noses out of the bedrooms and away from the civil rights of gays and lesbians.
It is FINE to think being gay is sinful if you want. It's fine to absolutely think that getting an abortion is wrong. And in such cases, I would not only support, but encourage one of those religious believers to fight against their own "gayness" if they find themselves in that situation, and to refuse to get an abortion if they find themselves in an unwanted pregnancy. that is, after all, what choice means.
Where the difficulties come is the trying to take choices away from others, to try to make THEM comply with YOUR religious beliefs by trying to pass laws based on those religious beliefs that affect others than just those who believe as you do. That's where the rubber hits the road......
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