Another school shooting, multiple fatalities

[iris lilies]

Some people will be singing a different tune when it is your loved one or child that gets slaughtered for no good reason.

No, that is silly to the point of being offensive. Children here in my city are slaughtered all the time. My number could be up next, or DH’s number, or my dog’s number. Every gun involved in these murders are held illegally. EVERY gun.

so my point, should I need to speel it out, is that criminals will get guns.

[Chicken lady]

So Alan, I feel like I got another implied response, but can I get a declarative sentence? What, in your opinion, is the acceptable civilian use for a semi-automatic weapon, such as the AR-15?

also, i don’t have an issue with gun shows, I do have an issue with allowing them as a legal way to get around background checks. I imagine they are probably fun for those with an interest in guns.

we repealed prohibition. You still need a liquor license to sell hard stuff and an ID that says you’re 21 to buy any. So to speak to your comparison - some people are still giving up some “rights” around alcohol “for the children” (or for whatever we based that on.)

also, I don’t think owning a gun is a natural right. Freedom of movement is a natural right. Driving a car comes with all kinds of regulations. I have a right to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness” but my liberty is restricted in many ways, and my pursuit of happiness in many more. As a middle aged, middle class, healthy white female, I seem to be on pretty solid ground with regards to “life”. My uncle, however, has been removed from the transplant list, so I guess he no longer has an unfettered right to life.

[Ultralight]

I don't believe in natural rights. I believe you get and keep what you fight for or threaten meaningfully enough for.

[Chicken lady]

Nasty short and brutish eh?

[Ultralight]

Nasty short and brutish eh?

No.

[Alan]

So Alan, I feel like I got another implied response, but can I get a declarative sentence? What, in your opinion, is the acceptable civilian use for a semi-automatic weapon, such as the AR-15?

Declarative sentences are limiting, what you call my implied response encourages thoughtfulness, but if you insist.
I think the acceptable civilian usage of any weapon include, but are not limited to, self defense, sport, hunting and any other legal purpose you might imagine. I can only imagine one unacceptable use of a weapon, that being the infliction of intentional harm on another, and we already have laws against that.

[dmc]

-I come from a hunting family and if you used a AR 15 to hunt there would be nothing left of the animal worth eating. It is ridiculous that civilians can own them.

My son deer hunts with his. As Mentioned it’s a very small caliber. I bought a Smith and Weston MP-15 before the election. I took it to the range to try it out, but it doesn’t do much for me. When my 10 year old grandson comes to visit I’ll probably take him to the range and let him shoot it some.

It will be years before he will be big enough to shoot a 30-06, or something like a .7mm mag. Obviously your hunting family either hunts very small game like rabbits, or like many just exaggerating.

[flowerseverywhere]

I can only speak for myself but when you say you don't want to take guns away, but do admit that you want to create a restrictive ownership environment, what I hear is "I want to limit the natural right to the means of self defense to those I approve of", and I don't trust people who may decide that I shouldn't have that right. Without natural rights, how can you have civil rights?

i do a lot of things that are an inconvenience because I feel they are for the greater good. I pay my taxes although I know a lot of it will be going towards illegal regligious or border wars, even though loopholes are used to make it seem OK. I know my luggage may be searched when I board a plane, even though I have never been even charged with a crime and I was born in the US.

There are are a lot of very liberal policies I don’t agree with, like sanctuary cities, paying medical and housing benefits for instance for able bodied people without young children who don’t want to work or even repeal of the second amendment. Also, abortion on demand I struggle with, which many gun rights people like to use as a defense for gun ownership. Who cares if some innocents are killed, look at abortion. It should certainly should be readily accessible to rape and incest victims or if the life of the mother or child is in danger. But in my sixties it certainly is not a decision I have to make, and I never had an unwanted pregnancy.

But I am trying hard hard to understand your viewpoint. I know that many very conservative people want prayers to Jesus Christ in school and the Ten Commandments displayed in federal buildings while clear violations of the commandments like adultery and lying to get what you want are ignored which makes for very murky interpretations. however as long as I see news reports that children are slaughtered by people with guns, that police, border patrol, first responders etc. are killed by people with guns, I just cannot understand why background checks, waiting periods and so on are so much of an inconvenience to your natural rights to not be put in place.

[Teacher Terry]

My Dad hunted small game and my ex's entire family deer and they used a regular rifle. It fired one shot at a time. I feel like people are purposely acting dim like having a AR-15 is needed for hunting instead of a regular rifle. We have all sorts of limits on our freedoms for the good of others. Everything in life comes with restrictions if we are going to live in a civilized society. Since our kids are dying from being killed at school it is common sense that the laws we have are not working. We need more protection. If I had grandchildren I would be afraid to see them go to school which is pretty sad. You don't want your rights restricted but what about the rights of all those kids who will never grow up because the adults can't make common sense decisions? IL: people do change their opinions when it hits close to home. Many anti-death penalty people start singing a different tune once their loved one is murdered. You don't have kids but the love you have for your child or grandchild is like no other love you will ever experience. You do not love another person on the planet the way you love your very own child. It is hard to explain if you have not experienced it.

[LDAHL]

Today at lunch I heard a guy claim that Americans have a greater chance of being killed by a lightning strike than a mass shooter.

I’m not sure where I could go to verify that claim with any confidence. It seems like one of those made-up memes that infest the internet. On the other hand, it could be weird enough to be true.