Impeachment?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I wonder if the GOP realizes that it's saving pennies but spending dollars by refusing to impeach? People I have spoken to in my zip code say they will not forgive it forget a GOP acquittal. Neither will I. How this helps the GOP I don't understand. Were it only the 85006 who sees it this way it would be no big deal - problem is, this take here is far from being isolated. The GOP would be best served by impeaching and letting Pence take the Presidency. Though I still do worry about Trump supporter violence/domestic terrorism and about economic fallout as a result thereof. These are the consequences if voting in incompetence to this level.....will America learn from this fiasco? Stay tuned....Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Obama was confident.

Agreed. Confident but not arrogant/cocky like 45 is. Rob

[jp1]

I see a recent poll indicates 50% of voters now favor impeachment. Up from 49% in October. All the sturming and dranging on both sides of the issue doesn’t seem to have had much impact.

Is the whole thing being tuned out by most Americans?

Not if one believes this study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/u...gtype=Homepage

[Alan]

Not if one believes this study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/u...gtype=Homepage

Can you give us a synopsis, I'm too cheap to get behind the paywall.

[jp1]

TLDR. people consider impeachment more important than any of the other things they consider important.

[ApatheticNoMore]

TLDR. people consider impeachment more important than any of the other things they consider important.

wow do people even follow the news, they do know the UN climate conference completely failed right, by like everyone's admission. No impeachment only helps if it gets rid of Trump somehow, otherwise, it matters not.

The poll may be limited to what congress can actually do though, as long as Trump is president, that's not much. I mean one could prioritize Medicare For All for instance all they want, but that's not going anywhere under Trump. So the poll seems to suffer from having basically confused premises, or at least that's how it is presented: you can't combine a set of policies that exist if Trump is president (which is the only case in which impeachment is relevant) with a set of policies that could exist only if he is not president (which is the only context in which many other priorities are relevant). Which hypothetical are we even asking about? Because they don't overlap in reality. One of these things is not like the other ...

[jp1]

The point of the poll was that whether you want impeachment to succeed or fail doesn’t matter. Most people care more about THAT then anything else. In other words republicans care more that impeachment fails than anything else and democrats care that it succeeds more than anything else.

[jp1]

You think it was ignored?

I think if any other president in US history had had to admit that their charity was a total fraud and had to pay a $2m fine the news about it would have been the cause of screaming headlines for months and the opposing party would have been calling for their resignation over this one thing.

But because trump is so absurdly corrupt in everything he does this news was basically about as interesting as Davis Muir saying ‘and today was Tuesday.’ It came and went without a whiff of shock or outrage from anyone on either side of the aisle.

[jp1]

Ok. I’m convinced. The latest republican argument finally got to me. Apparently newt gingrinch is worried that impeachment will ruin people’s christmases. I have to admit, it’s about the best, and most logical, reason anyone has put forward for why the dude shouldn’t be impeached and removed.

https://americanindependent.com/impe...-bill-clinton/

[LDAHL]

Not if one believes this study.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/05/u...gtype=Homepage

The point wasn’t that voters don’t care one way or another. The point was that the House hearings have done little to change minds on the issue.