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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Gosh, you (and Donald Trump) are just not lawyers now, are you? You two are not “law trained.”

    This was Ruth Bader Ginsberg’s response today when President Trump also inquired about involving the Supreme Court.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2679145001/


    But the real answer is that our constitution is very clear how impeachment is handled:


    Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 provides:
    The House of Representatives... shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.Article I, Section 3, Clauses 6 and 7 provide:
    The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.
    I thought I had read that the Chief Justice presided over the impeachment trial phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Since we're allowing people to ignore subpoenas, evidence is limited--though I think what has been presented by the witnesses so far is convincing.
    (Why are we allowing Trump et al to stonewall? Remember Susan McDougall? There's that double standard again.)
    I was curious as to why the Democrats didn’t pursue that more vigorously. They seemed to elect speed over exhausting all the legal tools available to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Yeah--Kavanaugh blubbering and blathering about beer was pretty pathetic.
    My impression was that there was plenty of blathering and blubbering to go around, what with all the inconsistencies and paucity of evidence. Big chunks of the country seemed to treat it as an opportunity for a sort of primal scream therapy session.

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    I realize that Trump was elected into office and has the right to be sitting there. My question is this - given all the drama and the controversy and shady behaviors/lack of ethics/alienation of allies/deaths of migrants under US custody that has taken place - is it truly appropriate for Trump to remain President? Such us not serving the majority of Americans well. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    is it truly appropriate for Trump to remain President?
    It is until the people decide otherwise, there's an election coming up in less than a year so we'll see.
    "Things should be made as simple as possible, but not one bit simpler." ~ Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    My impression was that there was plenty of blathering and blubbering to go around, what with all the inconsistencies and paucity of evidence. Big chunks of the country seemed to treat it as an opportunity for a sort of primal scream therapy session.
    The only screaming was on the republican side of the aisle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    I realize that Trump was elected into office and has the right to be sitting there. My question is this - given all the drama and the controversy and shady behaviors/lack of ethics/alienation of allies/deaths of migrants under US custody that has taken place - is it truly appropriate for Trump to remain President? Such us not serving the majority of Americans well. Rob
    I agree with Alan. The voters should be the authority on what’s “appropriate”. If we allow the impeachment process for anything but the most dire situations, we effectively hand the political class a sort of veto power over elections.

    I read one analysis that posits one of the major reasons our politics are the way they are is that we are essentially being governed by two minority parties rather than one dominant party with a loyal opposition. That tends to create a more shrill, desperate climate. Both within and between the major parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    The only screaming was on the republican side of the aisle.
    I’m pretty sure the shrieking maenads pounding on the courthouse doors weren’t Republicans. I’m very sure the people insisting we believe accusations because they felt so right weren’t from the right side of the aisle.

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    From Newsweek:

    Rossiya 1, a Russian TV channel, aired a news segment entitled, "Puppet Master and 'Agent'—How to Understand Lavrov's Meeting With Trump," according to The Daily Beast.

    On the Russian program Sunday Evening With Vladimir Soloviev, Mikhail Gusman, first deputy director of ITAR-TASS, Russia's largest news agency, said, "Sooner or later, the Democrats will come back into power. The next term or the term after that, it doesn't matter... I have an even more unpleasant forecast for Trump. After the White House, he will face a very unhappy period."

    "Should we get another apartment in Rostov ready?" asked host Vladimir Soloviev, as translated by The Daily Beast.


    Joking (?) aside, Trump is clearly a Russian asset, if not an agent (where are those notes from his Helsinki meeting with Putin?), and that alone should be enough grounds for removal from office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Trump is clearly a Russian asset, if not an agent (where are those notes from his Helsinki meeting with Putin?), and that alone should be enough grounds for removal from office.
    Apparently not clearly enough that his enemies thought they could impeach him for it.

    Where was the American Left when the Russians were crushing rebellions in occupied countries, killing millions of their own citizens and promising to bury us? When a smirking Obama told Mitt Romney that “the eighties want their policy back” when he expressed concern about Russia?

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