Impeachment?

[bae]

I'm not in favor of extra-legal assassinations of anyone.

I don't see where the Constitution awards the ius gladii to the President.

[Alan]

This (IMO ill-advised) policy was part of the "gun walking" started under President Bush to track weapons to Cartel figures to result in their arrests. I'm sure if there were a chance in hell to impeach President Obama, Republicans would have pounced on it.

I'm not in favor of extra-legal assassinations of anyone. I would assume (probably foolishly) that such actions would be subject to military review and forbidden.

But if it were all Bush's fault, I wonder why they went to such lengths to thwart the Congressional investigation? I guess we'll never know.

[JaneV2.0]

I don't necessarily blame Bush; it was apparently a scheme someone (ill-advisedly) came up with. And I'm all for as much transparency in government as possible, barring national security issues.

[jp1]

If we were to do that, we would need to create an office of Prime Minister to administer the executive branch while the head of state was busy defending against the infinite technical and minor violations his enemies would raise.

It’s doubtful that if the senate removes trump that every future president will face perpetual threats of impeachment. Let’s be honest here. Everyone with a pulse and a tv or internet connection knew that he was a turd of a human being completely lacking an ethical or moral compass before he won the election. Abundant news about his life full of moral and ethical failings were publicly available before people voted for him anyway. If we don’t want a future of serial impeachments perhaps the answer is not to lower our standards of expectation of presidential behavior and actions but instead, to select reasonably ethical people for such an important position.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Or maybe for providing weapons to Mexican cartels which would later be used to kill Americans and using executive privilege to deny Congress access to witnesses and documents for their investigation. I don't recall many Democrats getting their panties in a bunch about that one.

So do I! Although I'm thinking Jane and JP1 will too when a President Sanders or Buttigieg are impeached for something similar.[/COLOR]

I like how that sounds. President Buttigieg (finally learned how the name is spelled). Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

It’s doubtful that if the senate removes trump that every future president will face perpetual threats of impeachment. Let’s be honest here. Everyone with a pulse and a tv or internet connection knew that he was a turd of a human being completely lacking an ethical or moral compass before he won the election. Abundant news about his life full of moral and ethical failings were publicly available before people voted for him anyway. If we don’t want a future of serial impeachments perhaps the answer is not to lower our standards of expectation of presidential behavior and actions but instead, to select reasonably ethical people for such an important position.

I could not agree more, jp1. Rob

[bae]

I like how that sounds. President Buttigieg (finally learned how the name is spelled). Rob

He remains the only presidential candidate I have ever given money too. Even though he is gay, and a poster boy for homonormativity.

[LDAHL]

It’s doubtful that if the senate removes trump that every future president will face perpetual threats of impeachment. Let’s be honest here. Everyone with a pulse and a tv or internet connection knew that he was a turd of a human being completely lacking an ethical or moral compass before he won the election. Abundant news about his life full of moral and ethical failings were publicly available before people voted for him anyway. If we don’t want a future of serial impeachments perhaps the answer is not to lower our standards of expectation of presidential behavior and actions but instead, to select reasonably ethical people for such an important position.

While I don’t share your scatalogical fervor, I also hope to see Trump gone. But when I see an impeachment effort that essentially began on Inauguration Day, and the quest for some charge, any charge, to make, I can’t help but believe this to be a search for a crime to fit the punishment. I can’t help but wonder if this particular president is receiving a different treatment than another would in similar circumstances.

As long as thirty-four Senators vote to retain him, he will stay until the voters turn him out or his second term expires. That seems as certain as anything in politics. The Democrats are for the most part not stupid, and know this. This makes me think that this is all for show and spite rather than any more practical reason. I would hate to see that become a usual political tool. I suppose whether it does or not will depend on whether the voters punish them for it.

[iris lilies]

I could not agree more, jp1. Rob

Rob, how was your impeachment party? Did you wear your special outfit? Did you use the special tanging you bought to cook the special Impeachment chicken?

[jp1]

It is interesting that Alan Dershowitz is making the constitutional argument against impeachment on Trump’s defense team. I can just hear the voices here saying “so what? He is a well-known defender of reprobates like O.J. Simpson and Jeffrey Epstein. “

But I still find it interesting that he is doing it. Today NPR had an interview with him and he was clear he is making a constitutional argument that opens the case, he is not working on the team’s strategy and he’s not advising in any other capacity. He also had to remind everyone that he voted for Hillary and is a well-known liberal type person.

I can think of a couple of black-and-white thinkers on this website who probably can’t wrap their head around that.

It's interesting that Dershowitz has such a fluid opinion about impeachment. I suppose if you pay a man enough money he'll say whatever he's paid to say.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...to-impeach.cnn