Impeachment?

[jp1]

So the voters that didn’t want a coverup are worried about the republican version of precedent? Hahahahahahaha.

Ldahl, you’re smarter than that.

[LDAHL]

So the voters that didn’t want a coverup are worried about the republican version of precedent? Hahahahahahaha.

Ldahl, you’re smarter than that.

I think what I said was just the opposite. They simply don’t care. They do not believe the proceedings are anything but political on both sides. They do not believe Trump’s ramblings. Nor do they believe that the Democrats are dedicated guardians of the Constitution and “Our Democracy”.

And why should they? They saw the endless efforts to build something out of Russian conspiracy theories. They saw the hurry-up-and-wait House gameplay. They hear highlights of the hyperbolic speechifying in the Senate, and doubt the purity of anyone’s agenda. I don’t think anyone is worried about getting voted out of office over procedural disagreements.

The November elections will turn on many issues, and the Ukrainian phone call will be one of the least important.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Way beyond my usual 85006 issues and my health care access/affordability issues in the US....I am deeply worried for the future of the US. Supposedly 1/2 of registered voters want Trump gone, 1/2 want him to remain in office. Given that Trump seems to inspire strong pro/con reactions.....meaning that it's hard to feel neutral or indifferent towards him, coupled with standard of living decreases and easy access to guns in a population that does not always provide access to mental health help.....this could perhaps become a perfect storm with long term consequences.

I'd be thrilled to be wrong here. Time will tell. Rob

[Alan]

I'd be thrilled to be wrong here. Time will tell. Rob

Consider yourself thrilled.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Consider yourself thrilled.

If only there were some way to peek into the future and see what really transpires, independent of both of us and our opinions.....I'm lacking faith living in the America I do, but I do hope you prove to be right. Furthermore I would prefer that you are right.....once again, time will tell. Rob

[jp1]

I think what I said was just the opposite. They simply don’t care. They do not believe the proceedings are anything but political on both sides. They do not believe Trump’s ramblings. Nor do they believe that the Democrats are dedicated guardians of the Constitution and “Our Democracy”.

You may be right generally about their opinions of both parties. But I think you're wrong that they don't care. A wide majority cared that there should be a fair and honest trial with witnesses and evidence. And for those voters I don't think "I had to follow procedure" is going to be an especially effective argument against "Why did my opponent vote for a coverup instead of a fair and honest trial?"

[Alan]

.....I'm lacking faith living in the America I do, but I do hope you prove to be right.

Rob, don't take this wrong but you've loudly professed your lack of faith in America for as long as you've been posting on these forums, well before Trump. I've lost track of how many times you've told us you've felt that way since you were 8 or sometimes 11 or 14. I sincerely believe if you stop looking for and imagining reasons to back up that lack of faith you'd be much happier. So, be thrilled, everything's gonna be fine.

[gimmethesimplelife]

Rob, don't take this wrong but you've loudly professed your lack of faith in America for as long as you've been posting on these forums, well before Trump. I've lost track of how many times you've told us you've felt that way since you were 8 or sometimes 11 or 14. I sincerely believe if you stop looking for and imagining reasons to back up that lack of faith you'd be much happier. So, be thrilled, everything's gonna be fine.

Then it won't surprise you one iota that I lack faith here, no? And please realize that when I was 8 and 11 and 14 having the realizations I've posted, I never once factored an election fail to the level of Donald J Trump taking place. That's a new one for America.....a completely new level of fail.

All that said, I still sincerely you and not I are right here.....but I have no faith in this. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

Should be I still sincerely hope above.

[LDAHL]

You may be right generally about their opinions of both parties. But I think you're wrong that they don't care. A wide majority cared that there should be a fair and honest trial with witnesses and evidence. And for those voters I don't think "I had to follow procedure" is going to be an especially effective argument against "Why did my opponent vote for a coverup instead of a fair and honest trial?"

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that a majority of voters would have to subscribe to your definitions of “fair and honest” as well as “coverup” for that to work. It’s easy to get people to say they’re in favor of fairness and honesty. It’s more difficult to persuade them that politicians aren’t trying to spin those terms in their favor.