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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I think a lot of those "Bernie Bros" are wittingly or unwittingly working for Russia.
    Do we really neomccarthyite theories to explain the present situation? Can’t the BBs simply be angry at the DNC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Do we really neomccarthyite theories to explain the present situation? Can’t the BBs simply be angry at the DNC?
    I'm sure some of them are, but the Russian government under Putin has made a cottage industry out of interfering in Western politics.

    "Destroying the links that bind and strengthen Europe’s many nations individually and collectively is the Kremlin’s tried-and-tested strategy. The Russian leadership seeks to do what it accuses the Americans of wanting to do in Russia. The west has yet to show it has a plan to counteract the solvents that the Russians have injected into its democratic processes."

    From the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tin-superpower

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Do we really neomccarthyite theories to explain the present situation? Can’t the BBs simply be angry at the DNC?
    The situation does seem to have some parallels to the early days of the Communist revolution, and the immediate aftermath, where the biggest crime was not being one of the evil capitalists, but rather being a member of the Party with slightly different beliefs. Purges are needed.

    This is the energy I observe in the Bernie-ites. Worse than Trump, or the GOP, are members of the Democratic Party who aren't on Bernie's side wholeheartedly. Non-believers must be marginalized, attacked, and pushed out to sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    The situation does seem to have some parallels to the early days of the Communist revolution, and the immediate aftermath, where the biggest crime was not being one of the evil capitalists, but rather being a member of the Party with slightly different beliefs. Purges are needed.

    This is the energy I observe in the Bernie-ites. Worse than Trump, or the GOP, are members of the Democratic Party who aren't on Bernie's side wholeheartedly. Non-believers must be marginalized, attacked, and pushed out to sea.
    I hope you're wrong...

    I'm a Bernie fan, and not happy with the DNC, but I certainly am not fundamentalist about it, and I'm sad if there are those factions rising up--I agree that it can only hurt Bernie and any efforts to keep Trump from being re-elected. I just hope they get the vote out. But a part of me also wonders how widespread it is, and whether some of it isn't being manufactured by the media (or Russia) into a bigger issue than it really is. I really don't see Bernie as a cult leader.
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    On Russian troll farms, from ABC news https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43093390:
    But the work was round-the-clock. When the operatives - they called themselves "specialists" - weren't posting, they were learning and getting feedback on writing style. They were said to be constantly monitoring the viral success of their approach, tweaking and adjusting to maximise retweets and the spread of the message. The team is also said to have had a list of US public holidays, and appropriate content ready to go so they would blend in.

    "According to court documents, the IRA took several measures to hide its tracks, duping the technology companies who were unaware, or unable, to stop what was filtering through their systems.

    The key - and obvious - move was to hide the fact that these posts were coming from Russia. For that, the IRA is said to have used several Virtual Private Networks - VPNs - to route their operations through computers in the US. The operatives allegedly used stolen identities to set up PayPal accounts using real American names."


    And I see Republicans are increasingly embracing Putin from https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...f-putin-215387:
    "What I never expected was that the Republican Party—which once stood for a muscular, moralistic approach to the world, and which helped bring down the Soviet Union—would become a willing accomplice of what the previous Republican presidential nominee rightly called our No. 1 geopolitical foe: Vladimir Putin’s Russia. My message for today’s GOP is to paraphrase Barack Obama when he mocked Romney for saying precisely that: 2012 called—it wants its foreign policy back."

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    I wish Obama would step up and run as a Republican :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I wish Obama would step up and run as a Republican :-)
    Under what basis could he get voted in? I don't seem to remember term limits covering the party, but the person.

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    If anything is McCarthyesque it's the characterization as European-style social Democrats as "commies." Realistically, how many people these days identify as Communists? Very few.

    Viewing Putin--a former KGB Lt. Colonel who regularly has his rivals killed in colorful ways--as a threat is merely prudent

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I'm sure some of them are, but the Russian government under Putin has made a cottage industry out of interfering in Western politics.

    "Destroying the links that bind and strengthen Europe’s many nations individually and collectively is the Kremlin’s tried-and-tested strategy. The Russian leadership seeks to do what it accuses the Americans of wanting to do in Russia. The west has yet to show it has a plan to counteract the solvents that the Russians have injected into its democratic processes."

    From the Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...tin-superpower
    Maybe, but the Russians have been weaponizing balderdash since the days of John Reed, and the Republic has endured. In my view, the only way they win is if we begin thinking everything that happens is masterminded from the Kremlin. That’s just one step up from believing in evil spirits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff View Post
    Under what basis could he get voted in? I don't seem to remember term limits covering the party, but the person.
    Well, once Trump rewrites the 22nd Amendment, we're set.

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