Michelle Bachmann Ban On Porn?

[Gingerella72]

Porn is garbage that destroys families, homes, treats human beings like pieces of meat. Nothing is good about it. It usually destroys an innocent party involved, like a spouse. I know women who have caught their husbands looking at it. they were devastated and their marriages did not always survive. Its crap.

This may be TMI to share but my husband and I enjoy porn together occasionally, it is part of our sex life. If you don't wish to view it or engage in it, no problem, but do not dictate to me what I can view and engage in in my own bedroom, thank you.

[loosechickens]

Hmmmm....very interesting piece in Scientific American this month on pornography, and examining porn in depth, and including the research that shows it may even have a role in preventing violence, as well as the studies of its negative effects.

.....who woulda thought.......obviously not such a black/white issue as Ms. Bachmann thinks. SO many shades of grey here.....

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...y-side-of-smut

(I have to say, I enjoyed seeing what the research showed about which men are the most sexist.....somehow I was NOT surprised, hahahahaha)

[iris lily]

That was about obscenity, not porn. Obscene materials are already unprotected and illegal, pornography is not. All obscene materials are pornography, but not all pornography is obscene.

Legally speaking, at any rate.

I foujd this clarification useful. I think that those two terms pornography and obscentiy WERE getting muddled in this discussion.

So why don't we just use the term "erotic" for "pornography" and perhaps the discussion would be less heated.

[peggy]

I foujd this clarification useful. I think that those two terms pornography and obscentiy WERE getting muddled in this discussion.

So why don't we just use the term "erotic" for "pornography" and perhaps the discussion would be less heated.

I like this idea. Erotic is different than pornography. When I think of porn, i think of child porn, or degrading porn, in degrading the man or woman. Or anything regarding children, really. Erotica is for adults, period. And private.

[flowerseverywhere]

I like this idea. Erotic is different than pornography. When I think of porn, i think of child porn, or degrading porn, in degrading the man or woman. Or anything regarding children, really. Erotica is for adults, period. And private.

well we all seem to share this view but does Michelle Bachmann?

[JaneV2.0]

I think of erotica as being porn that doesn't make you laugh out loud...
"It's for you honey--the pizza delivery man!"

[flowerseverywhere]

interesting article about Bachmann from the LA times

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/cult...naissance.html

"Tea party queen and Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is convinced that America is sinking into tyranny. Why? In a remarkable profile of the candidate appearing in the Aug. 15 issue of the New Yorker magazine, the artistic flowering of the Italian Renaissance takes a beating for having done away with the god-fearing Dark Ages."

[Spartana]

Well I just heard on the news that she believes women should be submissive to the will of their husbands and do what they tell them. So maybe her stance on porn and other things aren't really "her" stance at all but her hubbys. Would anyone want a person in top office who felt it was her or his duty to submit to the will of their spouse? I think the top office holder needs to submit to the will of the people as their elected representative and no one else Especially not to one person who may have their own political agenda.

[Alan]

Well I just heard on the news that she believes women should be submissive to the will of their husbands and do what they tell them. So maybe her stance on porn and other things aren't really "her" stance at all but her hubbys. Would anyone want a person in top office who felt it was her or his duty to submit to the will of their spouse? I think the top office holder needs to submit to the will of the people as their elected representative and no one else Especially not to one person who may have their own political agenda.

I guess that depends on how "the news" chose to frame the issue. When asked about the whole "submissive" thing, she replied that she and her husband respected each others wishes. That seemed reasonable to me.

[loosechickens]

Yes, her response seemed reasonable to me, also, IF it matched in any way many other comments she's made over the years. In explaining how she became a tax attorney, for instance, she said she hated it and never wanted to do that for a career, but her husband wanted her to do it, and since women should be submissive to their husbands, she became a tax attorney.

Look, it is very much the religious conservative outlook that the man is the head of the house and makes all the final decisions. I have several friends who are very conservative Christians and every decision in their lives must be passed on by the person in the house that has the "headship", the husband.

It certainly can mean that a husband can respect his wife's wishes, and choose to allow them, and it is true that the wife can respect her husband's wishes and choose to go along with what he wants out of respect, but when the rubber hits the road and one wants one thing and one wants the other, it's the husband in those families that has the deciding vote.

I'm not going by what the news media is doing in "framing" the issue. I am going by a number of things that Michelle Bachmann has said herself over the years regarding women's place in the family, submissiveness to a husband, and her own admissions that she has followed paths in her life that she did not choose because she was being submissive (and SHE used those words) to her husband's authority.

Just as it was a legitimate question in 1960 for JFK to be asked if he would put his religious beliefs over the Constitution, or for Mitt Romney or Harry Reid for that matter to be questioned as to their loyalties if the Constitution and the Mormon Church views on an issue are different, I think that a woman who has over the years preached on the need for women to submit to their husbands and be obedient and submissive to their wishes, even if they did not agree, that is a legitimate thing to question. Who would we be electing President, after all, Michelle Bachmann or her husband, behind her pulling the strings.

Look, I am going to be horrified if either Michelle Bachmann or Rick Perry becomes the Republican nominee. Although, honestly, I fear the competition to President Obama from a Mitt Romney or Jon Huntsman far more. But it is a measure of how much power the extreme right wing social conservatives in this country have managed to achieve that we are even seriously looking at someone like Bachmann or Perry as anything other than an extreme fringe candidate. Heck, Ronald Reagan would be considered a RINO these days, and Barry Goldwater said before his death that he, far to the right in 1964 and holding the same views many years later, would have been considered a liberal by today's Republican Party.

It's not your father's Republican Party, and not even the Republican party of my youth and middle age......the folks running the show today make the old John Birchers look positively socialist.