Conavirus......

[iris lilies]

It's depressing not just that cases are high but that here hospitals have had no capacity for weeks and no doubt weeks more to follow the holidays. It's such a background psychic strain on top of whatever other stresses life throws, knowing not just that covid is everywhere, but that there is no hospital capacity not only for covid but for ANYTHING. One re-thinks things like taking a drive to nowhere (which I've done out of pandemic boredom) because if one got in a car accident well there is no room at the hospitals etc.. Even non-emergency care is impacted as the line for urgent care is hours.

Why access penalties on people though, rather than shut down the airports? How seriously can anyone take potential penalties, when the airlines are booked up and flying in and out? There are other ways to travel but it certainly would send a message they were actually serious. Only 20% or so of people plan to travel for the holidays here though according to the news. But we have enough covid to give the rest of the country another wave if those vaccines don't come fast. Have some covid! It's on us. Cheers.

But everything is against public health recommendations including all human contact. Seeing my boyfriend even though we are a bubble of two, and I have stayed away when there have been covid outbreaks at his work, as we don't live together, ergo it's illegal. Visiting with anyone outdoors and distanced which I have done here and there etc.. And I'm a criminal, and have been nothing but a low down dirty criminal in the pandemic for seeing my partner etc. It is what it is, we all turn to a life of crime if we have to.

any comments, jp1?

[frugal-one]

I'm with jp1. Emailed with Canadian friends and they are being fined if they break with protocol. Sounds like a plan! Maybe some of these privileged people would do what they should if they had some incentive?

[iris lilies]

Ya’ll, Help me understand how fines work. Practically speaking. Here in my ZIP Code.

I mean really work, not in your fantasy work.

[Yppej]

A pastor in my state was fined for holding church services in the spring. If what you're doing gets media attention you will be fined.

[frugal-one]

A pastor in my state was fined for holding church services in the spring. If what you're doing gets media attention you will be fined.

As well he should have... what? church doesn't spread the virus??? moronic

[frugal-one]

Ya’ll, Help me understand how fines work. Practically speaking. Here in my ZIP Code.

I mean really work, not in your fantasy work.

It depends on who is doing the enforcing. If everyone was on the same page it would be easier. As it is now, there is no "page."

[iris lilies]

As well he should have... what? church doesn't spread the virus??? moronic

The churches I know are huge. These are all Catholic Churches built in the 1880s and 1890s as monuments to God and they soar upwards, but they also cover a lot of horizontal space. So 6 foot social distancing is not a problem, easy to do.


Is that a problem for you though? Will that bring down a fine, all seated 6 feet apart? What if they were seated 10 feet apart? What if they were seated one person in each pew and staggered?

[iris lilies]

It depends on who is doing the enforcing. If everyone was on the same page it would be easier. As it is now, there is no "page."

I’m confused About what you mean because of course there are places with fines. Around here I don’t see fines attached to individual behavior. I see fines attached to business establishments and other establishments that provide gathering places.

I take the comments of JP one and you to me in an individual people should be fined. Maybe I’m wrong and that assumption, so please correct me if I am..


In your fantasy world I want to know how the fines work. We don’t all need to have a federal “page” if that’s what you mean, that is ridiculous.This kind of thing has always been handled at the local level. So describe for me the fine system where individual people are fined.

[ApatheticNoMore]

Since the Supreme court ruling they kind of have to allow churches to be open. A bunch of people gather for religious services in a park nearby here. I cursed them under my breath knowing that all other gathering is illegal and here is a crowd of 15 or 20 being together and not even having to sneak around like criminals to do so. But actually even though they could gather indoors they are gathering sitting in chairs in a park with some distance between, they are really being quite safe and don't have to be. Probably a liberal church

[Yppej]

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ... or the right of the people peaceably to assemble..." is being ignored. And no, that the prohibitions come from the state level not Congress is no more acceptable than when states rights advocates thumbed their nose at the 14th Amendment with Jim Crow laws.

And there are many examples of hypocrisy by those issuing or advocating for covid edicts. It's okay to restrict others but I can have gatherings, I know the people I'm with (as if you can only get the virus from strangers), I was tested (only good for a pinpoint in time), etc.

ETA On the other hand nowhere is the right to fly in the Constitution. The airports could be shut down.