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    Loosechickens, we get it. You don't like Michele Bachmann, you don't like her belief's, her positions and her husband. We really do get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    Loosechickens, we get it. You don't like Michele Bachmann, you don't like her belief's, her positions and her husband. We really do get it.
    I am not a fan after reading some of her views but I saw her this morning on the news shows. She comes across as smart, together, attractive but not too much so and was not afraid to voice her views. I thought "this could be the next president of the US." I remember thinking that when Obama started to run, but thought that there was no way an African-American would ever make it into the white house in my lifetime.

    People are fed up. The debt, unemployment and underemployment, stock market gyrations, loss of pensions, CEO bonuses, and dismal school performance will mobilize people who want change. I don't know if she is it but she sure came across as self assured and unafraid to stand up for what she believes in. Not wishy-washy in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere View Post
    I am not a fan after reading some of her views but I saw her this morning on the news shows. She comes across as smart, together, attractive but not too much so and was not afraid to voice her views. I thought "this could be the next president of the US." I remember thinking that when Obama started to run, but thought that there was no way an African-American would ever make it into the white house in my lifetime.

    People are fed up. The debt, unemployment and underemployment, stock market gyrations, loss of pensions, CEO bonuses, and dismal school performance will mobilize people who want change. I don't know if she is it but she sure came across as self assured and unafraid to stand up for what she believes in. Not wishy-washy in any way.
    I agree. She comes across to me as a leader, and one that some demographics are intimidated by. Just look at the concerted effort to marginalize her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    She comes across to me as a leader
    I'm not convinced. I thought electing BO was a mistake last time because he had no record of leadership, just pretty words. Walking the walk is much tougher than talking the talk. Maybe it is a sad commentary on the state of affairs when we can't find candidates who have actually accomplished anything and just have to find one that talks pretty and hope for the best. But I think we are risking a lot when we let ourselves get suckered in by these people and are paying the price today for chosing the accomplishment-free big talker the last time. I think he is in over his head and am pretty sure she would be in way over hers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dharma Bum View Post
    I'm not convinced.
    Neither am I. But I'm pretty sure she's a better choice than our current President, we do know what she stands for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    Neither am I. But I'm pretty sure she's a better choice than our current President, we do know what she stands for.
    But some of the things she stands for I just cannot endorse. I have been doing a lot of reading about her record and views after seeing her on TV. She does not believe in abortion under any circumstances. She believes in creationism and that it should be taught in schools, does not believe in homosexuality, and that medicare and social security should be gradually fizzled out along with the health care initiatives. And while she talks against government involvement and subsidies her family has taken advantage of them for their farm and housing purchases, as well as her husbands clinic funding. (most of this info is summarized in Wikipedia, but her views are very easy to find)

    I do agree she would be way in over her head. And the president of our country has to represent non-Christians and be respectful of their views as well. As an atheist I tolerate prayers at sporting events or public gatherings out of respect and expect others to be courteous of my beliefs. Especially the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    I guess that depends on how "the news" chose to frame the issue. When asked about the whole "submissive" thing, she replied that she and her husband respected each others wishes. That seemed reasonable to me.
    Haven't read the rest of the responses yet but I was talking about her humorously saying how hubby said she had to go back to law school to study taxes and she said something to the effect of "Yuck, hate taxes, don't want to do that but the Bible says a woman should submit to her husband so I guess I gotta do it". While I realize she was trying to be humorous, it also made me realize that many people in this country DO feel this way - that the man is the head of household (and men in general may be superior in terms of things outside the home) and a woman should submit to his will, and obey him. And that made me wonder how that belief would effect the leadership of a female president who felt this way. How would she be in dealing with not only issues effecting women, but dealing with men in authority positions like the Joint Chiefs, other world leaders, etc... How much control and influenceover the issues will her DH have? I can only see negative effects but I'll read the rest of the responses before throwing out my personal thoughts on this.

    Editted to add: I remember back when everyone milined Nancy Reagan for appearing to be the "real" decider and leader of the Presidency. Would that be the same with Marcus Bachman?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartana View Post
    How would she be in dealing with not only issues effecting women, but dealing with men in authority positions like the Joint Chiefs, other world leaders, etc...
    It might be beneficial for Mrs. Bachmann to do a little reading about women like Angela Merkel, Benazir Bhutto, Helen Clark, Indira Ghandi, Margaret Thatcher, Dimla Vana Linhares Rousseff, Golda Meir, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, etc. No argument that there are unique challenges to a woman taking the reigns in a "mans world", but if the woman is strong enough it can be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregg View Post
    It might be beneficial for Mrs. Bachmann to do a little reading about women like Angela Merkel, Benazir Bhutto, Helen Clark, Indira Ghandi, Margaret Thatcher, Dimla Vana Linhares Rousseff, Golda Meir, Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, etc. No argument that there are unique challenges to a woman taking the reigns in a "mans world", but if the woman is strong enough it can be done.
    What does the fact that she's a woman have to do with anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alan View Post
    What does the fact that she's a woman have to do with anything?
    As a woman I think her "biblical" view of gender roles would be a big issue in dealing with issues like gay marriage, abortion, etc. Bachmann's worldview, which she sees as under siege by secularists, feminists, imaginary socialists and other bogeymen, must be defended for future generations which immediately puts her leadership ability in question.

    In my wildest dreams I just cannot picture a graduate of Oral Roberts University (was the largest Charismatic Christian university in the world) leading our nation.

    Peace
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