Conavirus......

[jp1]

We’re not all Florida because most states don’t have pro-death Republican governors mandating no mask mandates.

[Jane v2.0]

States with a high percentage of vaccinated citizens, mask requirements, and public spaces requiring proof of vaccination shouldn't end up like Florida. We've had a spike, but nothing catastrophic. So far.

[ApatheticNoMore]

States with a high percentage of vaccinated citizens, mask requirements, and public spaces requiring proof of vaccination shouldn't end up like Florida.

But even the high percentage may not be that high.

I mean Florida 50% or so vaccinated. California 54%.

Part of the problem is these numbers include kids who can't get vaccinated (numbers excluding kids are higher for any state). Sure California may be a blue state, and FL has De Santis but the percentages may not be that different. Do many public spaces anywhere require proof of vaccination? A few bars as far as I can tell. But some jobs esp government are requiring it.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-march-15.html

But major population centers have more vaccination? Major population centers in Florida do too, Miami-Dade county for instance as far as I am able to tell.

[jp1]

San Francisco and NYC are requiring vaccines to do most indoor stuff in public. And in SF masks are mandated in all indoor public spaces. It will be interesting to watch how they compare to other large cities where people have the ‘freedom’ to not make any effort to protect other people from a deadly pandemic. *

*Perhaps someone smarter than me can explain the point in time when freedom came to mean ‘not having to do things that are for the good of society at large’. Or has freedom always meant that but we’re just at a point in time where being antisocial is a more acceptable behavior than it once was?

[flowerseverywhere]

A difference in Florida is the whole state attracts tourists. Theme parks, beaches, golf and so on. Since there are no masking requirements and it is easy for east coasters to drive here, we get a lot of visitors. Planes are flying in from international destinations and Orlando airport is as busy as ever. Cruise ships are sailing in and out or have plans to shortly resume. The Governor has forbidden cruise ships to require masks, although one cruise line, I believe Celebrity has fought it successfully (so far).

so who do you think is likely to come here? Some will who think Covid-19 is a hoax, vaccine deniers and conspiracy theorists come to my mind. Many of the super careful who adhere to CDC guidelines will avoid us like the plague.

So throw all these ingredients together and you have a stew waiting to boil over.

and by the way, you just cannot decide to show up to a hospital and decide you want to check in. When hospitals are full to capacity, it is almost like death panels that Palin warned us about. Ironically they have been set in motion not by the ACA, but an unpredictable virus and some people and politicians not even trying to avoid infection. When there are not enough beds and providers it is a constant juggling act to treat as many people as safely as possible. But human beings are just that. You cannot clone physicians and nurses, EMT’s, medicines, ventilators etc. remember at the height of NY city Covid crisis? People would call 911 and it would take considerable time for them to get there. Just not enough ambulance and staff, and ambulances waiting to offload at packed hospitals, to meet the need.

[Tybee]

My grandchildren here go back to school August 31. Right now, they are masking indoors but not outside on the playground.

Honestly, I think by September they will send them home and go remote again, if the numbers continue to rise. Last year the parents could choose all remote, and many did. My granddaughter went 2 days a week remote, 2 days in person, then back all days in the classroom for the last 6 weeks.

My mom's nursing home just reported a case in the rehab center, a fully vaccinated patient who caught it from a healthcare worker at the hospital, prior to admission. So they are under 14 days quarantine again.

Since I am a big believer in online learning (that's how I teach) and very concerned with the unvaccinated children, I am fine with them coming home to learn if need be. Not thrilled, of course, but I am very worried about the little ones getting this Delta variant.

[Yppej]

and by the way, you just cannot decide to show up to a hospital and decide you want to check in.

I guess you know more than the reporters at the health care facilities in Florida talking to the health care administrators. Let me guess - you're getting your information from a self-styled expert who lives isolated in a pod on an island off the coast of Washington state. Because he knows everything.

[Tybee]

Thank you, flowers, for sharing your personal experience and giving us a window into what is actually going on it Florida.
I think the more we can pool information of what we are actually seeing across the country, the better informed we will all be. That's why I am sharing what is going on here in Maine, where we are 80% vaccinated. But the two latest shut-downs of Mom's facility have been breakthrough cases in vaccinated people.

Maine also contact traces and quarantines the sick for 14 days and the exposed for 10 days.

[Klunick]

My grandchildren here go back to school August 31. Right now, they are masking indoors but not outside on the playground.

Honestly, I think by September they will send them home and go remote again, if the numbers continue to rise. Last year the parents could choose all remote, and many did. My granddaughter went 2 days a week remote, 2 days in person, then back all days in the classroom for the last 6 weeks.

My mom's nursing home just reported a case in the rehab center, a fully vaccinated patient who caught it from a healthcare worker at the hospital, prior to admission. So they are under 14 days quarantine again.

Since I am a big believer in online learning (that's how I teach) and very concerned with the unvaccinated children, I am fine with them coming home to learn if need be. Not thrilled, of course, but I am very worried about the little ones getting this Delta variant.

When Covid first made news back in Feb/March 2020 and schools had to scramble to do virtual learning, my youngest would only do certain assignments because he figured they'd never fail kids because online learning was thrown together. I got on him and told him to not be so sure and to do his work. Kept getting updates from the school that he wasn't turning in assignments. Got home from work to see him playing on the computer. Went "mock 1" on him and made him cry (He was 15/16 at the time). Told him to get his *** upstairs and do his work. He literally spent the last day getting everything caught up. Went from F's to A's in literally 8 hours.

This last school year when schools had the opportunity to get virtual learning plan in place, things were a complete 180. He stayed on top of his work and got straight A's the entire year. (He is normally a straight A student so that is also why I got so mad at him copping out of not doing his work before). If he could stay virtual this year, I would be all for it. He didn't have to get up at 5am to catch the bus. There was plenty of downtime during the day to get work done. But this will be his Senior year and I am happy that he will get to have a normal one in person with his peers. But.... I have a feeling that come December, things will change and they will go back 100% virtual. I don't know why because Covid rates have been pretty much null since Covid first started. I know people where I live are against getting vaccinated and I suspect that schools will use that as the reason to go virtual again.

[Tybee]

. But this will be his Senior year and I am happy that he will get to have a normal one in person with his peers. But.... I have a feeling that come December, things will change and they will go back 100% virtual. I don't know why because Covid rates have been pretty much null since Covid first started. I know people where I live are against getting vaccinated and I suspect that schools will use that as the reason to go virtual again.

I agree--it's just a feeling I have too, not exactly based on logic, just spidey-sense that they may go remote again.

I hope not for his sake, senior year is so cool. But they might graduate them early or something, too....