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    Unamerican assholes like Elise Stefanik, the #3 house republican.

    "After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
    When it may be one of the few areas he is doing the best he can on, which doesn't mean bad stuff doesn't happen. Passing domestic policy legislation. Dems can't control their own party. Pandemic response. What pandemic response? But the Ukraine and Russia, hard to fault him, very difficult situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Unamerican assholes like Elise Stefanik, the #3 house republican.

    "After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
    So now its unamerican assholery to criticize the President? I shudder to think of living in a society where that may be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    Unamerican assholes like Elise Stefanik, the #3 house republican.

    "After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."
    That doesn’t sound like excuses for an invasion. That sounds like criticism of some of the feckless policies that helped a dictator decide invading a neighbor was a viable proposition.

    Not that I fault Biden all that much. Sure, the “minor incursion” gaffe wasn’t very helpful, but I think the Europeans did a lot more to chum the water over the years. Particularly the Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    So now its unamerican assholery to criticize the President? I shudder to think of living in a society where that may be true.
    I suppose if one thinks that the worst war to hit europe since WWII is just an "over there" kind of event that won't affect us it would be acceptable for someone to make a baseless accusation of US presidential weakness. But I can only imagine the howls of indignation from the republican party if democrats had used 9/11 to try and score political points against W at that time.

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    All the partisan sniping around the genesis of this war reminds me of George Pickett’s explanation of why his famous charge at Gettysburg failed: “I always thought the Yankees had something to do with it.”

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    The first thing that occurs to me here- as much as I complain about US policing, this is multiple degrees of yet worse. I personally believe the average Russian does not want war or the fallout war creates. And Russia by this act has alienated itself from the West. And for what real gain or purpose?

    I feel bad here as on.my Father's side I'm second generation outside of Russia. Actually.Minsk which is now in Belsrus but in.my grandparent's day was the former Soviet Union. I don't play up.this bloodline as I've never known just what to make of Russia. Putin creeps me out as does Erdogan in.Turkey and the leaders of Hungary and the Phillipines.

    I've often wondered if I should discretely visit Russia someday. I know the large cities offer much culture - but over the top Putin makes me feel embarrassed of this half of my blood. Rob

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    Quote Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife View Post
    The first thing that occurs to me here- as much as I complain about US policing, this is multiple degrees of yet worse. I personally believe the average Russian does not want war or the fallout war creates. And Russia by this act has alienated itself from the West. And for what real gain or purpose?

    I feel bad here as on.my Father's side I'm second generation outside of Russia. Actually.Minsk which is now in Belsrus but in.my grandparent's day was the former Soviet Union. I don't play up.this bloodline as I've never known just what to make of Russia. Putin creeps me out as does Erdogan in.Turkey and the leaders of Hungary and the Phillipines.

    I've often wondered if I should discretely visit Russia someday. I know the large cities offer much culture - but over the top Putin makes me feel embarrassed of this half of my blood. Rob
    It is said by Shakespeare and others that "there is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so". Don't make the mistake of criticizing the physical person of whatever nation which cannot be readily changed but, by all means, present your focused views of their thinking which can be changed. Bloodlines have nothing to do with the situation in Ukraine or anywhere else but the thoughts held in mind are father to any deed, good or bad.
    It was so silly to hear one hockey player badmouthing another hockey player because of his country of birth not his skills as a player or qualities as a human being.
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    DEFCON 2 today. Fun fun fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    DEFCON 2 today. Fun fun fun.
    Frightening.

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    I read that they are flying Ukrainian flags all over Taiwan.

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