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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Who gets to identify the fatal match? You? Greta Thunberg? Who gets to decide the appropriate driver/vehicle combination? We’re burning electricity having this discussion. Is that ethically permissible?
    That's not for one person to decide. And it's not really a question of ethics. It's a question of values and even a question of survival, and identifying the relevant threats, and then collectively determining the best strategies to address them. Many don't agree there is a threat to so many of things we hold dear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tradd View Post
    Too many of the members here are living in cushy retirement. Are you going to tell the struggling suburbanite who doesn’t have public transit available and is driving a 10 year old car that they’ve got to plunk down $30K (or whatever it is) for an electric car when they can’t afford the rising gas prices?

    The sky is falling climate change types seem to have one hell of a disconnect with what normal struggling people are going through.
    If many scientists (and Greta Thunberg ) are to be believed, "normal struggling people" are going to be struggling a lot more if we don't get this right. As far as commuting, which I absolutely despise, I believe work from home--whenever possible--is the obvious solution. Most conscientious people take at least some steps to minimize their impact on the planet, and we can probably all do more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDAHL View Post
    Who gets to identify the fatal match? You? Greta Thunberg? Who gets to decide the appropriate driver/vehicle combination? We’re burning electricity having this discussion. Is that ethically permissible?
    Who gets to decide what the human environment will look like the next few decades? One could suspect that people will vote the gas price issues over climate impact and what ever this generation decides will be the futures the next generations will have to adapt to, which seems slightly unfair.

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    The reality is that the people likely to be harmed most by climate change are the ones who have done the least to cause it. Most of us reading this thread will likely, at worst, suffer some inconvenience. We live in a rich country that can spend ungodly amounts of money defending shorelines and fighting wildfires, etc. Most of the people in substantially less wealthy countries won't be so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    My $3.99 price was pre-Ukraine-market disruption too. I'm guessing the next time I pull in I'll be paying west coast prices too.
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    The reality is that the people likely to be harmed most by climate change are the ones who have done the least to cause it. Most of us reading this thread will likely, at worst, suffer some inconvenience.
    Drove by the same gas station today and diesel was $4.59 per gallon, a $0.60 increase in just over a week. I feel for everyone who doesn't have the luxury of gladly paying increasingly more for basic staples in order to exhibit their environmental bona fides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Drove by the same gas station today and diesel was $4.59 per gallon, a $0.60 increase in just over a week. I feel for everyone who doesn't have the luxury of gladly paying increasingly more for basic staples in order to exhibit their environmental bona fides.
    Supply and demand will generally be related to price. As long as global oil supply is from politically unstable areas, price volatility will follow. The other side of the equation is demand, as we saw during the pandemic. Or maybe from less reliance on fossil fuels.

    Far as I can figure, any environmental movement is not driving high gas prices, but is possibly a solution by reducing reliance.

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    Maybe car pooling will make a comeback. Mass transit (the bane of my work life) can work for some. Clearly, though, mass working from home would be the very best solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    Maybe car pooling will make a comeback. Mass transit (the bane of my work life) can work for some. Clearly, though, mass working from home would be the very best solution.
    Remember hypermiling? Maybe that will make a comeback, too.

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    High gas prices basically seem effective in getting people to drive more fuel efficient cars. They work. 48/50 states have a truck or SUV as the best selling vehicle (rav4 is a smaller truck, the others are not). Gas prices are high in California compared to most states and so a big truck is not the best selling vehicle. And no it's not a huge deal to pay higher gas taxes. Last fill up was $4.99 a gallon. That's really another reason to drive a fuel efficient (and if you can afford it hybrid or electric) vehicle, not just that it's better for the planet, a little bit I guess, but it's one less thing in life to worry about frankly, gas prices jumping around. Gas prices are up, ok, oh well. I may as well check what stocks are doing every single day ... yea no thanks.

    And yes there are those who need trucks for employment here too. Teslas also sell well but $$$$$$ up front.

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