Conavirus......

[LDAHL]

If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point. My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.

This is true. Trusting the science does not mean you must trust the scientist. Especially if the scientist sits atop a large government bureaucracy subject to all the usual public relations and political pressures. When one goes on the Sunday morning talkers to claim “attacking me is attacking science”, it arouses the skeptic in me. Accounting is a useful tool that makes much of our civilization possible, but that doesn’t make accountants mystical oracles. Trying to use “The Science” as a political bludgeon is like accusing your opponents of being unpatriotic. It’s an attempt to borrow someone else’s credibility for your own purposes.

[jp1]

By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.

[Yppej]

By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.

That's why you should read The Real Anthony Fauci. You would get the lowdown on the dubious and dishonest actions he has taken.

[ApatheticNoMore]

If it came across that I think science happens in a leave it to beaver world of politeness and perfect honesty then i failed to make my point.

Science takes place in the social system and will have the taint of everything in it (sure including racism, sexism, etc. which is miles from saying it is racist or sexist, but many meds have been much less studied in women etc.).

My point was simply that before covid science didn’t happen on the front page of every newspaper. Now it does. Sometimes honestly and messily. Sometimes dishonestly because it’s a politician or partisan hack media figure with an agenda. But to the average person it can easily end up looking like no one knows what the eff they are doing so why trust any of it.

Maybe the average person needs to be a bit more comfortable with uncertainty then . I know people are busy, although initially everyone's attention was on coronavirus, not so much now and we are in a low point for cases. But if it's something that has no harm like wearing a mask, then really. Look there is data on masks, but if one was deciding very early on. Of course that they are in general used (in medical setting, in prior pandemics) to prevent disease is also ...

By the same token bashing someone’s credibility simply because of the position they hold rather than because of specific dubious or dishonest actions they took isn’t much of an improvement to the situation.

I suspect to hold some positions, across multiple regimes, you need to be a political player, which is different it turns out that pure pursuit of truth. But this doesn't mean I think everything Fauci says is true or false, just that with fitting in comes finessing to the regime (though Trump was too much for Fauci).

[bae]

That's why you should read The Real Anthony Fauci. You would get the lowdown on the dubious and dishonest actions he has taken.

The full title of the book is "The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health", by the noted scientist and even-headed researcher Robert F. Kennedy Jr..

It's hilariously bad.

[ApatheticNoMore]

The reason? The data shows people, with a few rare immunocompromised exceptions, do not need boosters if they are under age 65, but the CDC is looking out for the interests of Big Pharma.

lol everyone has their guesses of what the unreleased CDC data may show. Maybe nothing, maybe it is bad data, regardless it is inappropriate to be hiding data. Me: maybe it shows something about effectiveness of various vaccines and breakthroughs, maybe long covid. Bf: it probably shows vaccines are less effective than they are saying and they think this might discourage vaccination, but eventually they need to stop coddling anti-vaxxers and just leave them to their fate.

[JaneV2.0]

lol everyone has their guesses of what the unreleased CDC data may show. Maybe nothing, maybe it is bad data, regardless it is inappropriate to be hiding data. Me: maybe it shows something about effectiveness of various vaccines and breakthroughs, maybe long covid. Bf: it probably shows vaccines are less effective than they are saying and they think this might discourage vaccination, but eventually they need to stop coddling anti-vaxxers and just leave them to their fate.

In a book I recently read (Premonition), Public health doctor Charity Dean opined that the only thing the CDC really did well was collating and publishing data.

[Yppej]

But if it's something that has no harm like wearing a mask, then really.

(though Trump was too much for Fauci).

Tell a first grader trying to do speech therapy in a mask there's no harm.

Tell a deaf person trying to read lips there's no harm.

Tell a toddler collecting sneezes and snots inside their mask all day long and getting a bacterial infection there's no harm.

Tell an autistic child who feels like his face is being stabbed with a thousand needles there's no harm.

Tell the teens whose suicide rate is way up there's no harm.

What an elitist, cruel comment that because you who I doubt wear a mask 8 hours a day suffer no harms that there is no harm. Guess what, the whole universe isn't about you!

And Trump was not too much for Fauci. He could have retired, but he wanted to keep getting over $400,000 a year plus $150,000 for each new pharma product he gets through the regulatory process.

You just might be the most ill informed person here.

[bae]

"German word of the day is Wohlstandsverwahrlosung, a state of decay that results from having it too easy for too long, leading you to selfishly compare your own petty grievances & mediocre accomplishments to the pain & struggle of people who know the meaning of real problems." -- Helene von Bismarck

[ApatheticNoMore]

yeppej I want to say you are dumb and it often makes sense. I mean you present that way online. I think other explanations make more sense. Sociopathy maybe? Not that I care.

I have no idea what I am even ill informed on. Some stupid @#$# from yeppej mouth about masks which is mostly pretty far out there edge cases (getting an infection from a mask? That has to be more likely than even the cold and flus prevented by masks, um uh ... okay ...). I mean why don't you tell me there is no harm of people dying and getting disabled from covid. Oh right that is what you say. And now you are making up BS about teen suicide and masks. I mean get out of here.

And you think I care if Fauci gets a government salary (?) of 400k a year. Gah, whatever, like I said he's an insider, he will reflect what the administration wants except Trump was a bridge too far. But even insiders may think they can do more good from the inside. A lot of people might say "well I would have too much integrity (to work under Trump or whatever)" and that's fine, the world needs people like that, but most commenting have no power and little ability to influence anything from the inside or out, and it's not necessarily them who end up in such a position.

And literally yeppej you present as the most ill informed person on here.