Russia/Ukraine?

[gimmethesimplelife]

I'm not surprised to hear that. At least you're in good company, a recent poll showed that a majority of Democrats in this country feel the same way, well, about the quickly fleeing part anyway. Personally, I think it's much more honorable and noble to stand up to a bully, make sure they understand that it's not so easy to invade and conquer. A good dose of standing up for yourself, your family and your country probably does more to prevent more of the same than your way ever will. To me, that's honorable and noble.

Just curious. Alan, do you know how the question in this poll was worded? Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

I'm not surprised to hear that. At least you're in good company, a recent poll showed that a majority of Democrats in this country feel the same way, well, about the quickly fleeing part anyway. Personally, I think it's much more honorable and noble to stand up to a bully, make sure they understand that it's not so easy to invade and conquer. A good dose of standing up for yourself, your family and your country probably does more to prevent more of the same than your way ever will. To me, that's honorable and noble.

Most Democrats have not grown up with a dose of harrowing during/after WW2 stories as I have. Because of this I think I believe this way - something like the invasion of Ukraine comes and the goal overnight changes to survival. That of yourself and anyone you can help on your way to safety. I don't disagree with your take entirely - surprise! - but I still hold that fleeing is noble and wise though not as respectable as Ukrainian behavior. Those people have courage! Rob

[Alan]

Just curious. Alan, do you know how the question in this poll was worded? Rob

Not sure, it was a Quinnipiac University poll, you can find the results here: 3/7/22 - Vast Majority Of Americans Say Ban Russian Oil, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Nearly 8 In 10 Support U.S. Military Response If Putin Attacks A NATO Country | Quinnipiac University Poll

An excerpt from their results: WHAT WOULD AMERICANS DO?

"As the world witnesses what is happening to Ukraine, Americans were asked what they would do if they were in the same position as Ukrainians are now: stay and fight or leave the country? A majority (55 percent) say they would stay and fight, while 38 percent say they would leave the country. Republicans say 68 - 25 percent and independents say 57 - 36 percent they would stay and fight, while Democrats say 52 - 40 percent they would leave the country."

[Tiam]

Most Democrats have not grown up with a dose of harrowing during/after WW2 stories as I have. Because of this I think I believe this way - something like the invasion of Ukraine comes and the goal overnight changes to survival. That of yourself and anyone you can help on your way to safety. I don't disagree with your take entirely - surprise! - but I still hold that fleeing is noble and wise though not as respectable as Ukrainian behavior. Those people have courage! Rob

I'm confused. What do Democrats have to do with it, and did they have an alternate reality than Republicans?

[jp1]

Why would they bother polling people about something that has zero chance of happening. If anyone is going to start a war with us it’s not going to be soldiers and tanks moving down Main Street USA.

[iris lilies]

Why would they bother polling people about something that has zero chance of happening. If anyone is going to start a war with us it’s not going to be soldiers and tanks moving down Main Street USA.

True. That was my thought as well. Another stupid poll.

[Tradd]

Had a very disturbing conversation with a friend last night. Friend is of mostly Russian background, but has some Ukrainian heritage, as well. Her brother is married to a woman from Ukraine. Sister in law only had one remaining immediate relative alive - her mother - who goes back and forth her between the US and UKraine. I asked if SIL’s mother was in the US Indefinitely. Friend told me SIL’s mother lives south of Chernobyl in the middle of nowhere, has seen no fighting, and sees absolutely no reason to leave. She had been in the US over the winter but returned shortly before the Russians invaded. I was told SIL has an uncle who is refusing to fight for Ukraine but is defending his property from looters - not Russians, but the average citizens who had been handed guns and were now looting since they never had very much and are now taking whatever they can.

Friend then launched into conspiracy level stuff - Putin doesn’t want to hurt the average Ukrainians. He’s going slow to given them their time to surrender, etc. Plus a whole bunch of stuff that was weapons grade conspiracy theory stuff. The US and Europe are going to pay for what they’ve done so far and it would become apparent within a few years. She was telling me not to pay attention to what’s going on in the mainstream media and texted me a link to something on YT to watch. I got the “I have relatives/friends in UKraine and Russia that are telling me very different things.” Putin fan all the way. I knew she was somewhat right leaning, but I had no idea just how much. Yikes.

[Tradd]

Forgot to mention about friend going off about Nazis in UKraine. Yikes.

[Alan]

Why would they bother polling people about something that has zero chance of happening.

They didn't. They polled people about overall American attitudes on multiple aspects of the Ukraine/Russia conflict. The part I quoted was just a small, yet interesting part of the overall poll and tied in neatly with Rob's odd concept of honor and nobility.

[JaneV2.0]

I've always maintained I would fight against any hostile forces invading this country to the best of my ability.

I've also long said that there are countries that would better suit me, and that I'm sorry I didn't emigrate to one when I had the chance.

So the question, as silly as it was, caught me at a confluence.

Tradd, that's horrifying. I guess "true believers" know no boundaries. How does she explain the coverage? "Crisis actors?" Anyone who has paid the slightest attention to Putin's history sees him for the ruthless dictator (and facile liar) he is.