Why NOT to vote Republican

[ApatheticNoMore]

The main Dem failing with Trump isn't that they aren't running a better candidate against him, it's that Trump should be behind bars. That's the failure. That he isn't sitting in a prison cell right now.

[ApatheticNoMore]

I have not once heard any of the Democratic apologists here talk about that issue. I have to conclude that, since they don’t openly support it, it must be a dirty deed they would rather push under the rug. But since I dont like ascribing opinions to people that they do not have, I am open to hearing about it from Democratic Party voters.

Much of the time I'm not a registered Dem but a registered no party preference, which works in California which allows you to vote for whoever except in the Presidential primary (where it might be worth registering for a party - there are reasons to register for a party, but they are minimal in a jungle primary state - so take it or leave it, and I often deregister in disgust). So while I will gladly vote Dems to get Republicans out of office (but it usually doesn't matter here), I don't clutch my pearls that the Dem party is corrupt and a weak opposition party. I"m shocked, shocked I tell you! Nah, of course they are. And water is wet, and the Pope is Catholic. They are just better than the alternative.

The Dem party has no reason to listen to me since much of the time I'm not a Dem, but also they would have no reason to listen to me even if I was always a registered Dem. Because the parties are not member organizations accountable to their members. Them is the rules. But if I was a rich donor, well I'm not a rich donor. If you work deep within the internal party you can sometimes influence something, but I've never worked that deeply in it. Otherwise I suppose one could try writing sternly worded letters.

[frugal-one]

Given the millions Democrats have spent assisting some of those 300 in the primaries, how are we to take them seriously when they proclaim the end is nigh?

You obviously are naïve.

[frugal-one]

The main Dem failing with Trump isn't that they aren't running a better candidate against him, it's that Trump should be behind bars. That's the failure. That he isn't sitting in a prison cell right now.

No question about it!

[frugal-one]

Much of the time I'm not a registered Dem but a registered no party preference, which works in California which allows you to vote for whoever except in the Presidential primary (where it might be worth registering for a party - there are reasons to register for a party, but they are minimal in a jungle primary state - so take it or leave it, and I often deregister in disgust). So while I will gladly vote Dems to get Republicans out of office (but it usually doesn't matter here), I don't clutch my pearls that the Dem party is corrupt and a weak opposition party. I"m shocked, shocked I tell you! Nah, of course they are. And water is wet, and the Pope is Catholic. They are just better than the alternative.

The Dem party has no reason to listen to me since much of the time I'm not a Dem, but also they would have no reason to listen to me even if I was always a registered Dem. Because the parties are not member organizations accountable to their members. Them is the rules. But if I was a rich donor, well I'm not a rich donor. If you work deep within the internal party you can sometimes influence something, but I've never worked that deeply in it. Otherwise I suppose one could try writing sternly worded letters.

Previously I have always considered myself an independent. Currently I am anti-republican….since I believe the “republican” party as we knew it is no more. Now it consists of mostly radical election deniers, Qanon and promoting violence (coup) and intimidation tactics (poll workers and sites), trumpers and unsavory groups (oath keepers etc). The hearings showed how low the party has gone. After seeing and hearing the evidence presented, it is unconscionable that ANYONE would vote for the traitors.

[flowerseverywhere]

Here is a real genius in Wisconson, now facing felony charges and losing her job.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwauk...d-ballot-fraud

I decided to link to a fox news website so story would be believable to Republicans. on the WAPO website there were lots of comments from active military explaining why they would vote in a state when they were not physically present, especially Navy. Apparently some Wisconsin election officials want to ban mail in military ballots. Stupid fools.

[LDAHL]

Who are the current top Republican intellectuals, political philosophers, and thoughtful commentators? Today's William Frank Buckley Jr. types?

(Being unable to locate a GOP platform on their own national web site, I'm digging deeper.)

I think most of them would identify more as conservative than Republican, but some I consider worth reading or listening to would include:

Matthew Continetti

Thomas Sowell

Alexandra DeSanctis

Charles CW Cooke

Jonah Goldberg

David French

George Will

Michael Brendan Dougherty

Kevin Williamson

Jim Geraghty

Madeleine Kearns

Yuval Levin

Ramesh Ponnuru

Andrew McCarthy

The late Sir Roger Scruton

[jp1]

Democrats did not attempt a coup. ron johnson tried to send fake electors …. that alone should tell YOU his character.

People like Alan often point to Stacey abrams’ statements after she lost last time around in an effort to present a (false) equivalence. They ignore the substance of what she actually said because it would make their argument fall apart. (Hint her argument wasn’t (find me 11,800 votes).

[LDAHL]

You obviously are naïve.

Yes. I’m one of those doe-eyed innocents who can’t grasp how meddling in the opposing party’s primaries to assist people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy is the way to stop the people you insist are bent on destroying our democracy. A naïf like me might come to conclude that the meddlers don’t believe their own rhetoric.

[LDAHL]

People like Alan often point to Stacey abrams’ statements after she lost last time around in an effort to present a (false) equivalence. They ignore the substance of what she actually said because it would make their argument fall apart. (Hint her argument wasn’t (find me 11,800 votes).

Much like the Trump allegations, hers were rejected by the court as being without merit.