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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Perhaps the voters are tired of everyone being demonized, and using the personal problems of a 14 year old girl to beat your favorite hobby horse, the evil mean Republicans, is one kind of tiresome trope.
    maybe. But then there would have been the red wave they were predicting.

    Instead most republicans did not support this act protecting all Americans equally, regardless of their religious beliefs. It also protects interracial couples. Ted Cruz did not support it, as most Republicans did not. I’m not sure what they are afraid of. No one is telling them they have to marry a same sex partner, or have an abortion or marry someone outside their race. Why is it so important to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bae View Post
    I don't understand the conservative obsession with transsexuality, or the focus on "grooming," which has never seemed to have anything to do with the subject at hand. But I guess it works to fire up their base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I don't understand the conservative obsession with transsexuality, or the focus on "grooming," which has never seemed to have anything to do with the subject at hand. But I guess it works to fire up their base.
    And yet, you have expressed some concerns about medicalized transitioning of minors.

    I consider promotion of medicalized gender transition to minors, along with minimizing very real negative effects of hormonal therapy, to be “grooming. “

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    And yet, you have expressed some concerns about medicalized transitioning of minors.

    I consider promotion of medicalized gender transition to minors, along with minimizing very real negative effects of hormonal therapy, to be “grooming. “
    Supporting transitioning is what you understand "grooming" to be? I think of it as a kind of seduction process in pedophilia.

    I am concerned about the prevalence of medicalized transition in adolescents, whose brains aren't even close to being fully developed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneV2.0 View Post
    I am concerned about the prevalence of medicalized transition in adolescents, whose brains aren't even close to being fully developed..
    Prevalence. Interesting word. I'm curious....

    How many adolescents are there in the USA?

    How many of them identify as trans?

    How many of them are on puberty blockers?

    How many Dominoe's Pizza locations are there for each adolescent on blockers in the USA?

    ( 25 million between ages of 12-17. ~300,000. ~5,000, or, about 0.02% of the adolescent population. 3.77 locations/person. )

    Totally unrelated - how many kids in America today suffer from malnutrition which impacts development? I have more questions...

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    Maybe I should have written "increasing incidence" instead of "prevalence."

    Yes--malnutrition could explain many things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    Perhaps the voters are tired of everyone being demonized, and using the personal problems of a 14 year old girl to beat your favorite hobby horse, the evil mean Republicans, is one kind of tiresome trope.
    And perhaps LGBTQ people are tired of being targeted for demonization by republicans. I'll make an offer. If your team stops demonizing people like me I'll stop calling them out for being shitty human beings for doing so. Until your politicians agree to that deal I will keep calling them out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp1 View Post
    And perhaps LGBTQ people are tired of being targeted for demonization by republicans. I'll make an offer. If your team stops demonizing people like me I'll stop calling them out for being shitty human beings for doing so. Until your politicians agree to that deal I will keep calling them out.
    You may continue to call out any speech you find repugnant, I support you at that. Unlike members of “your team “ who like to silence conflicting views, I don’t intend to silence you.

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    I don't think a 14 year old's experience means much either, except to her. Even if her parents are indeed horrible to live with, bad parents are found throughout the political spectrum, I have no doubt.

    As for silencing though, it goes on on both sides, are we really supposed to believe Fox news (much less Newsmax etc.) gives equal and fair time to Democrats and liberals? I mean really. And that's basically what is being called "silencing conflicting views".
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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    You may continue to call out any speech you find repugnant, I support you at that. Unlike members of “your team “ who like to silence conflicting views, I don’t intend to silence you.
    Perhaps I should just start calling you groomer. After all it seems kind of suspicious that you don’t have kids and that you used to be a librarian. What are you trying to hide groomer? You seem kind of creepy.

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