Conavirus......

[iris lilies]

What a nasty response. I don't just make things up. And not that you deserve it, but I'm going to provide you with an article that, unlike your link, doesn't have a paywall.

"Under New York rules, the funerals are limited to no more than 10 people, and he can conduct just three per day"

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/05/82697...covid-19-cases

oh please, Roger doesn’t know how to be “nasty.”

Sure, there were limitations on funerals as there were limitations on MANY human activities. But the limitations varied from locale to locale. And I do not question that there were scary numbers of dead bodies piling up in New York City. That city was hit hard by Covid.

[iris lilies]

Except, there is.

Unfortunately, the high priests of The Science have caused great distrust by their past fkery.

There may be definitive answers but the mouthpieces are not to be trusted.

[JaneV2.0]

Science, being a human endeavor, is imperfect.

The following is a long list of "miracle drugs" that have been withdrawn from market:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

"Where risks or harms is the reason for withdrawal, this will usually have been prompted by unexpected adverse effects that were not detected during Phase III clinical trials, i.e. they were only made apparent from postmarketing surveillance data collected from the wider community over longer periods of time." (article above)

https://www.drugsdb.com/blog/fda-app...om-market.html

"Certainly if a presidential candidate is entitled to change his mind on major issues, the FDA is, too. Of course, the entire process of reversal is quite a bit more serious when it comes to a federal agency in charge of the welfare of the country."

Let's start with a very sobering fact: More Americans die from adverse effects of prescription drug medications than from illegal drugs. (Ed note: All hail science!)

"That means that the agency overseeing prescription medications carries a heavy burden, the burden of human lives." (article above)

[catherine]

Science, being a human endeavor, is imperfect.

The following is a long list of "miracle drugs" that have been withdrawn from market:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

"Where risks or harms is the reason for withdrawal, this will usually have been prompted by unexpected adverse effects that were not detected during Phase III clinical trials, i.e. they were only made apparent from postmarketing surveillance data collected from the wider community over longer periods of time." (article above)

https://www.drugsdb.com/blog/fda-app...om-market.html

Certainly if a presidential candidate is entitled to change his mind on major issues, the FDA is, too. Of course, the entire process of reversal is quite a bit more serious when it comes to a federal agency in charge of the welfare of the country.

Let's start with a very sobering fact: More Americans die from adverse effects of prescription drug medications than from illegal drugs. (Ed note: All hail science!)

"That means that the agency overseeing prescription medications carries a heavy burden, the burden of human lives." (article above)

As market researchers, the people in my industry have very strict codes of conduct with regard to reporting adverse events that we hear about during the course of our interviews. Within 24 hours we are mandated to report what we heard to the manufacturer's pharmcovigilance department. If we are late, or if we miss an AE and it gets caught during an audit, we have to go through a whole retraining process. It's all about risk:reward, and you have to remember that in many cases, a lot more people would be dead if they never had the opportunity to take the drug to begin with.

[Yppej]

It's all about risk:reward, and you have to remember that in many cases, a lot more people would be dead if they never had the opportunity to take the drug to begin with.

I doubt this. I see drugs advertised for all sorts of nonlethal conditions from psoriasis to heartburn to restless leg syndrome.

[rosarugosa]

oh please, Roger doesn’t know how to be “nasty.”

Sure, there were limitations on funerals as there were limitations on MANY human activities. But the limitations varied from locale to locale. And I do not question that there were scary numbers of dead bodies piling up in New York City. That city was hit hard by Covid.

Yes, I was thinking that Rogar is probably the least nasty person on the Forum, or at least a top contender for the title.

[Teacher Terry]

Except, there is.

This gave me a chuckle because there’s not enough known to say that the COVID vaccines are safe for most people. The CDC may say there is but how many times have we learned later that prescription drugs, etc did more harm than good. I am certainly not an anti vaxer by any stretch of the imagination but there’s too much unknown about Covid itself. It’s going to take time for enough knowledge to emerge.

What also concerns me is these vaccines being given to children. If you look at the number of vaccines I was given versus my kids and now the next generation it double or more. We are over vaccinating our pets because there’s big money giving for instance our pets a rabies vaccine every 1-3 years when we could titer to see if needed. Most last a lifetime after the initial series. It worries me that we are now doing it with people.

[catherine]

When you consider. that mRNA technology was discovered 60 years ago, and has been actively developed and tested in R&D for all that time, I trust that its application in COVID has been tested enough to give me confidence that it's safe for most people.

[JaneV2.0]

When you consider. that mRNA technology was discovered 80 years ago, and has been actively developed and tested in R&D for all that time, I trust that its application in COVID has been tested enough to give me confidence that it's safe for most people.

And if you're not fully convinced, there are alternatives, including ones that are more traditionally formulated.

[Teacher Terry]

For me it’s a moot point because I have had 3 doses of the vaccine plus covid so I am done. I don’t take anything that must be done yearly such as the flu shot. I did recently receive the second dose of the pneumonia vaccine.