Why NOT to vote Republican

[JaneV2.0]

I'm wondering what kind of documents Putin has.

[jp1]

Have we learned that taking home classified documents, and, well, taking them to all of your homes, it’s really not that big of a deal after all? Have we learned that lesson and can we move on now? It’s great when we can get educated and change our minds due to that education. Why just last fall, prior to the November elections, we thought it was a very big deal.

Apparently we have. The lesson seems to be that there's a big difference between accidentally taking them home versus intentionally taking them home and then denying it, obfuscating about it, and ultimately refusing to give them back until the FBI comes to your beach house and take them away after finding them in a scattered sloppy mess of storage that was likely accessed by multiple people without the security clearance to see them.

[jp1]

In the world of us plebes I could see the judicial system making an example of someone to discourage more of the same, and to make a lasting impression on would-be-ers. I am correctly assuming that a law was broken?

The laws regarding classified documents are fairly detailed on the subject and one of the key things in them is that presidents and VPs are treated differently from almost anyone else due to their ability to classify and declassify things. The laws that trump appears to have violated don't have to do with his taking the documents with him when he left the white house, they have to do with how he dealt with the situation when he was advised that he needed to give them back. Biden and Pence did not do anything (that we know of) to try and keep the documents once they were aware of the documents' existence in their homes and have both cooperated fully with the government in the government's efforts to retrieve them.

[frugal-one]

So, in your mind the difference is that Trump felt he was entitled to keep the documents and Biden couldn't say that after making such a big deal about Trump, yet probably felt the same since he distributed them to every location he may be at any given time, which would lead a reasonable person to believe he thought of them as his to keep (or allow his son to use the info for family profit). Is that about right?

No.
JP summed it up …

The lesson seems to be that there's a big difference between accidentally taking them home versus intentionally taking them home and then denying it, obfuscating about it, and ultimately refusing to give them back until the FBI comes to your beach house and take them away after finding them in a scattered sloppy mess of storage that was likely accessed by multiple people without the security clearance to see them.

The laws that trump appears to have violated don't have to do with his taking the documents with him when he left the white house, they have to do with how he dealt with the situation when he was advised that he needed to give them back. Biden and Pence did not do anything (that we know of) to try and keep the documents once they were aware of the documents' existence in their homes and have both cooperated fully with the government in the government's efforts to retrieve them.

[Rogar]

The laws regarding classified documents are fairly detailed on the subject and one of the key things in them is that presidents and VPs are treated differently from almost anyone else due to their ability to classify and declassify things. The laws that trump appears to have violated don't have to do with his taking the documents with him when he left the white house, they have to do with how he dealt with the situation when he was advised that he needed to give them back. Biden and Pence did not do anything (that we know of) to try and keep the documents once they were aware of the documents' existence in their homes and have both cooperated fully with the government in the government's efforts to retrieve them.

So, if I'm getting this correctly, there is not a law prohibiting a president or VP from taking home top secret documents and then keeping them for some unknown time, even after they no longer hold office? I understand the difference between accidentally ending up with things vs. knowingly keeping them, which would be up to a court to decide if such a law exists. And that as you say, the law is fairly explicit about this?

I get the difference with Trump, which seems to fall into obstruction of justice realm from my basic understanding. And that the shear volume might indicate ill intent.

[Alan]

Dang. I’m impressed. Just when I thought republicans couldn’t get any creepier Florida’s high school athletics association decided to dial it up to 11. Student athletes will now have to provide their school administration details about their menstrual cycles. Such a weird look for the party that claims to be all about freedom.

To paraphrase dr oz ‘a girl’s sexual health should be between her , her doctor and her school administrator.’

It turns out that female athletes in San Francisco schools have been required to answer those questions for the past 20 years or so as well. Damn Republicans!

[iris lilies]

It turns out that female athletes in San Francisco schools have been required to answer those questions for the past 20 years or so as well. Damn Republicans!

I’m actually relieved to hear there is a secret strong hold of Republicans in San Francisco. It’s a great and wonderful city, a jewel of our United States, so maybe it won’t go into the crapper completely after all.

[jp1]

It turns out that female athletes in San Francisco schools have been required to answer those questions for the past 20 years or so as well. Damn Republicans!

I’m actually relieved to hear there is a secret strong hold of Republicans in San Francisco. It’s a great and wonderful city, a jewel of our United States, so maybe it won’t go into the crapper completely after all.

So you're both into super creepy stuff regarding high school athletes having to divurge incredibly personal info about their sexual organ functioning.? Hmmmm. I'd ask you to tell me more but frankly in this case I'll just say " PLEASE STOP TALKING. YOU ARE BOTH CREEPY AS ****."

[bae]

I guess if these folks were really concerned about the safety of women's sports, they'd do something about the coaches and team doctors that sexually abuse the young athletes.

[iris lilies]

So you're both into super creepy stuff regarding high school athletes having to divurge incredibly personal info about their sexual organ functioning.? Hmmmm. I'd ask you to tell me more but frankly in this case I'll just say " PLEASE STOP TALKING. YOU ARE BOTH CREEPY AS ****."

Not at all. If my daughter was into sports, which would be highly unlikely, and if she brought home that form, I’d say you don’t need to tell them that stuff. End of story.