A Palestinian State

[Rogar]

The smart Hamas fighter would be travelling south incognito with the masses, although I suppose some would like to make the ultimate sacrifice for the Jihad. A lot of the events don't make perfect sense to my western reasoning. I have wondered if someone is being lured into a trap.

[bae]

We say we don't want the conflict to widen, yet we send warships.

I suspect the idea is to deter other surrounding nations from launching an attack against Israel.

Probably a good idea, as last time that happened it didn't go well, and this time, well, Israel has a handful of very very sophisticate and quiet Dolphin class submarines hiding out there somewhere, and those subs absolutely positively cannot launch missiles with nuclear warheads, warheads Israel totally doesn't have....

[gimmethesimplelife]

Something I personally find painful is that images of the pro Palestine rally recently in Vienna went viral. I am so embarrassed. I expect better out of Austria. Rob

[Yppej]

I suspect the idea is to deter other surrounding nations from launching an attack against Israel.

Probably a good idea, as last time that happened it didn't go well, and this time, well, Israel has a handful of very very sophisticate and quiet Dolphin class submarines hiding out there somewhere, and those subs absolutely positively cannot launch missiles with nuclear warheads, warheads Israel totally doesn't have....

We want to deter them from attacking Israel, but we're making it more likely they will attack us. Our troops have been attacked in Lebanon, in Saudi Arabia, we had hostages taken in Iran, and over 2000 civilians died on 9/11 and we still can't mind our own business. Very few in the wake of 9/11 got the correct answer to, "Why do they hate us?" Ron Paul did. "Because we intervene in their countries."

[Tybee]

That's what Robert F. Kennedy Jr. says as well. I don't think in this case, after the butchery of those infants, that applies.

[catherine]

I don't think in this case, after the butchery of those infants, that applies.

What about the news today about the landlord in Illinois stabbing a 6-year old Muslim boy to death and critically injuring his mother with multiple stab wounds.

As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

[LDAHL]

What about the news today about the landlord in Illinois stabbing a 6-year old Muslim boy to death and critically injuring his mother with multiple stab wounds.

As Gandhi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Oh yes. One deranged hate crime is equivalent to the organized butchering in Israel, followed by a retreat behind a human shield of captives and their own citizens. We should be ashamed of ourselves for even talking about it, much less being prepared to do something about it.

[catherine]

Oh yes. One deranged hate crime is equivalent to the organized butchering in Israel, followed by a retreat behind a human shield of captives and their own citizens. We should be ashamed of ourselves for even talking about it, much less being prepared to do something about it.

I'm not saying that... I'm saying that violence begets violence, no matter how just the retaliatory response. And unfortunately, people have a difficult time compartmentalizing the heinous acts of groups--whether they be splinter terrorist groups or political parties--against the the innocents of the same tribe, and the hate, scapegoating, and violence burns on and on.

[Tybee]

I thought what we were discussing was sending a ship to protect Israel from future attacks, from lowering the risk of attack by its neighbors. That is not an act of war.

[bae]

I'm not saying that... I'm saying that violence begets violence, no matter how just the retaliatory response.

After the Third Punic War and the siege of Carthage, the Carthaginians ceased to trouble the Romans in any measurable fashion.