LGBT rights in the USA today...

[catherine]

And now I’m reading that Bin Laden’s “Letter to America” is enjoying a vogue in social media. From what kind of environment are these people breathing in such preposterous tripe that they fall prey to such self-destructive delusions? Is it the vanity of ignorance or just unreflective groupthink?

I just tried to read the letter and it's hard to find after a brief search. I believe TikTok and The Guardian dropped any reference as well as the hashtag where one could read it in full. IL, you are the free speech champion--what do you think about that? Why is it so bad to simply print an old letter from bin Laden?

I am NOT in favor of Hamas, nor radical Islam. I'm simply wondering why this letter is being banned. Apparently it simply airs some political, religious and moral judgements--yes, America is in the line of fire, but so what? A lot of people complain about America.

[iris lilies]

I just tried to read the letter and it's hard to find after a brief search. I believe TikTok and The Guardian dropped any reference as well as the hashtag where one could read it in full. IL, you are the free speech champion--what do you think about that? Why is it so bad to simply print an old letter from bin Laden?

I am NOT in favor of Hamas, nor radical Islam. I'm simply wondering why this letter is being banned. Apparently it simply airs some political, religious and moral judgements--yes, America is in the line of fire, but so what? A lot of people complain about America.

I don’t understand where all the love for Osama bin Laden is suddenly coming from, but as always, I think it’s best to shine a light on the thoughts of the useful idiots promoting him. So don’t ban any expression by a numbskull who wants to include excerpts, or even a full piece from Mr. bin Laden.

[catherine]

I don’t understand where all the love for Osama bin Laden is suddenly coming from, but as always, I think it’s best to shine a light on the thoughts of the useful idiots promoting him. So don’t ban any expression by a numbskull who wants to include excerpts, or even a full piece from Mr. bin Laden.

I don't think presenting all angles to an issue as constituting "love" for one side or the other. I haven't seen the responses from TikTok (or the originator)--so I don't know whether the letter is being used as some kind of recruitment tool or means of inciting Islamic rebelling in the US. I'm just asking. But again, there is a lot of pressure these days to silence anyone that a group of people disagrees with, so I guess this is just another example of that.

[iris lilies]

I don't think presenting all angles to an issue as constituting "love" for one side or the other. I haven't seen the responses from TikTok (or the originator)--so I don't know whether the letter is being used as some kind of recruitment tool or means of inciting Islamic rebelling in the US. I'm just asking. But again, there is a lot of pressure these days to silence anyone that a group of people disagrees with, so I guess this is just another example of that.

The letter is a piece of well crafted propaganda designed to appeal to whom it is now appealing. Will it be used as a recruitment tool? Well, sure. This kind of thing always is.

Those places that are removing this letter, wherever it showed up, are silly. I would think it is showing ip on Reddit subs.

[iris lilies]

I did find the 6 page Bin Laden letter on Tik Tok and made screen prints but it takes too long to reproduce those screen prints here
If I can figure out how to link to that TikTok series of posts, I will do that.

Meanwhile, I found another letter on a website that ends with.gov that would make you think it is the real thing, but this is not the letter I think is being shopped as “the bin Laden letter” so I will not link it.

edited to add: I have seen a TikTok reference to THIS as “The Bin Laden letter” as also listed in the .gov site I mention above. So check this out catherine.. But it is different from one I found on TikTok.

Probably there are multiple missives written by Osama Bin Laden that bitchslap the West.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...n%20people.pdf

[littlebittybobby]

Okay---if that letter to America(the good guys) was six pages, was one postage stamp sufficient to mail it? Just curious.

[catherine]

I did find the 6 page Bin Laden letter on Tik Tok and made screen prints but it takes too long to reproduce those screen prints here
If I can figure out how to link to that TikTok series of posts, I will do that.

Meanwhile, I found another letter on a website that ends with.gov that would make you think it is the real thing, but this is not the letter I think is being shopped as “the bin Laden letter” so I will not link it.

edited to add: I have seen a TikTok reference to THIS as “The Bin Laden letter” as also listed in the .gov site I mention above. So check this out catherine.. But it is different from one I found on TikTok.

Probably there are multiple missives written by Osama Bin Laden that bitchslap the West.

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/...n%20people.pdf

Thanks for posting. I read the whole letter and my first thought, until I got to the part about "just cause" killing, was that it sounded like any letter that could have been benignly posted by anyone associated with Occupy Wall Street. It is an anti capitalism screed. There are a lot Americans with reasonable grievances against capitalism who could have written that letter, and it is written with standard anti-capitalism words and phrases and sounds very "American" in terms of language, as if someone who had spent many years in America had written it.

The rest of the letter is definitely a threat and an indictment.

I understand that the association between bin Laden and this letter is the problem. If anyone else had written that letter, it would have gone unnoticed. I only see the danger, and cause for "cancelling" of this old letter by a dead terrorist as perhaps a danger in reviving anti-American hostilities, including terrorism. I suppose TikTok and The Guardian have simply decided that posting it is not worth that risk.

[iris lilies]

Thanks for posting. I read the whole letter and my first thought, until I got to the part about "just cause" killing, was that it sounded like any letter that could have been benignly posted by anyone associated with Occupy Wall Street. It is an anti capitalism screed. There are a lot Americans with reasonable grievances against capitalism who could have written that letter, and it is written with standard anti-capitalism words and phrases and sounds very "American" in terms of language, as if someone who had spent many years in America had written it.

The rest of the letter is definitely a threat and an indictment.

I understand that the association between bin Laden and this letter is the problem. If anyone else had written that letter, it would have gone unnoticed. I only see the danger, and cause for "cancelling" of this old letter by a dead terrorist as perhaps a danger in reviving anti-American hostilities, including terrorism. I suppose TikTok and The Guardian have simply decided that posting it is not worth that risk.

Wellllllll…the “ devastating Jewish control of capital “ and being enslaved by those evil Jews and their love of mammon are concepts a little beyond the pale.

But sure, his admonishment to follow God, rather than capitalistic pursuits is a common theme in all religions.

For me, it’s the twist of unrelenting Jew hate in his letter that gives me pause.

[catherine]

For me, it’s the twist of unrelenting Jew hate in his letter that gives me pause.

Yes, I agree.

[Alan]

The letter is a piece of well crafted propaganda designed to appeal to whom it is now appealing.