Let the deportations begin?

[Alan]

Trump's own justice department has admitted he was deported to a veritable torture dungeon in error. Whether he was a family man married to an American wife, working as a sheet metal worker, and shared fatherhood over a disabled 5 year old child and granted some form of asylum. Or or an MS-13 gang leader involved in human trafficking with no legal right to be here seems to depend on who's telling the story.

Well, there is documented evidence that an immigration court judge found in 2019 that he was an MS-13 gang member, was a threat to the community, was a flight risk and should be deported. After that ruling, he was granted temporary asylum due to his contention that if returned to his home country he faced a threat from rival gangs.
I think it's possible that the conflicting impressions of him that you've named may both be true. I just find it interesting that the majority of news coverage of his case seem to focus on one and ignore the other.

[Rogar]

Well, there is documented evidence that an immigration court judge found in 2019 that he was an MS-13 gang member, was a threat to the community, was a flight risk and should be deported. After that ruling, he was granted temporary asylum due to his contention that if returned to his home country he faced a threat from rival gangs.
I think it's possible that the conflicting impressions of him that you've named may both be true. I just find it interesting that the majority of news coverage of his case seem to focus on one and ignore the other.

As usual, I had to look up things as most of the story got by me in my usual news sources. I double checked and it barely got mention in my legacy news. I've been thinking about how to celebrate Liberation Day, anyway. I've been thinking about getting a bunch of one dollar bills in an open wallet, then turning on a room fan towards it and watching the bills get liberated from my wallet.

The story Reuters is telling is that his lawyers has denied him being a member of MS-13 and his gang ties were only "purported". And that it was his 2019 court judgement that actually protected him from deportation. Another said he's not been convicted of any crime for 12 years.

"The ICE official said in Monday's filing that the agency was aware of the earlier court order blocking Abrego-Garcia's removal. He was not on the March 15 flight's initial manifest, but was assigned to the flight as "an alternate" as other people were removed from the flight for various reasons, the filing said."

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-administration-says-man-deported-el-salvador-in-error-2025-04-01/

[littlebittybobby]

okay---it's better to deport a few wrong illegal aliens, than to just let everybody stay. End of story. But yeah-- It's just so damn transparent that letting ALL of them stay is what fanaticrats are demanding. The answer is NO, and that's it! I've been conjuring up a new list of progressive issues. By progreessive, I mean progressively WORSE. As soon as IO've come up with an addition to the agenda of the Loony Left, I will be glad to share it with you kids. Thank mee.

[flowerseverywhere]

I guess we'll have to see how that plays out but the one thing for sure is that you have to wade through an awful lot of activism disguised as journalism to get a relatively informed grasp of the facts.

immigration and customs admitted it was a mistake.
a lot of these stories mention only one side. But why would they have admit it was a mistake if it wasn’t?

like the signal text chain including a reporter, this will swept under the rug and democrats will be blamed and name called and derided. And I’m not even a democrat.

no worries. Only a persons life. Not important. Carry on.

[LDAHL]

immigration and customs admitted it was a mistake.
a lot of these stories mention only one side. But why would they have admit it was a mistake if it wasn’t?

like the signal text chain including a reporter, this will swept under the rug and democrats will be blamed and name called and derided. And I’m not even a democrat.

no worries. Only a persons life. Not important. Carry on.

Immigration is one of those areas like nuclear energy or Social Security or the deficit where we can’t seem to have an adult conversation. Everybody plunges into his extreme anecdote or nut-picking example or impugning of the other view’s motives.

I do agree that we should defenestrate the national security officials over the signal leak. As a very junior Air Force officer, I saw people crucified for a lot less. Although I did find it a bit galling that Hillary Clinton had the Chutzpah to weigh in on the importance of data security.

[frugal-one]

Immigration is one of those areas like nuclear energy or Social Security or the deficit where we can’t seem to have an adult conversation. Everybody plunges into his extreme anecdote or nut-picking example or impugning of the other view’s motives.

I do agree that we should defenestrate the national security officials over the signal leak. As a very junior Air Force officer, I saw people crucified for a lot less. Although I did find it a bit galling that Hillary Clinton had the Chutzpah to weigh in on the importance of data security.

We should “lock ‘em up”! tit for tat!

[LDAHL]

We should “lock ‘em up”! tit for tat!

I would certainly like to see them suffer consequences more severe than she got away with.

[Rogar]

One thing I've been curious about is why the people they are sending to El Salvador as purported gang members, possibly for the rest of their lives and without any hearing, can't just be normally deported. I'm assuming there are plenty of routine deportations going on, although it's not been in the news much. I've not seen much in our local news about any big roundups, even if Trump's Operation Aurora is not far away. There was one big bust of a couple of hundred supposed gang members, but not much more. It was before they were disappearing people to foreign prisons, so I assume they just got a regular deportation?

I just noticed the other day that a couple of the usual corners with people holding up signs for food, money, or work have been empty. I suppose that would make them a prime target for ICE, although there may be others reasons.

[Alan]

The last numbers I saw only went out to the end of March but according to them there were just over 100,000 illegal immigrants deported between January 20th and March 31st. Probably more significantly, there seems to be better than 50,000 less monthly illegal border crossings since then as well.

I'm guessing that anyone looking for those big roundups of all brown skinned people to fuel their moral outrage will be disappointed at the manner in which the deportations are actually happening. Of course the sheer numbers of people in the US who have entered the country illegally ensures that this clean up will take years to accomplish, and possibly never will happen if we go back to open borders.

[Rogar]

I'm still not sure why they are disappearing supposedly "alien enemy" people to a foreign prison with a possible life sentence rather than just sending them back. I suspect it's all part of a scare tactic and publicity campaign to encourage self-deportation and discourage border crossings, which seems to be working regardless of ethics and veracity. It apparently depends on gang association rather than any supposed crimes.

So gang members without criminal history get prison, and run of the mill robbers or domestic abusers who are here illegally just get deported?

Probably up for debate, but my quick look says that Trump has not deported many more than the same time as Biden in his last year in office. That doesn't count for self-deportation numbers, which are probably impossible to estimate. It's still a long ways to go and just a dent of the 10 million or so illegals either way.