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    I could go along with what you're saying Alan, for the most part, except I really don't think Trump cares if California defaces itself or burns and loots itself. It's more of a show of power.

    And, there are processes for these things. Newsome did not ask for help.
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    This sort of thing inevitably becomes a sort of Rorschach test of political sensibilities. Some see a peaceful, flower-bedecked protest being attacked without provocation by vicious storm troopers. Others a typical rock-throwing, car-burning riot local authorities are too pusillanimous to deal with.

    Karen Bass hasn’t fled town, which I take to be a hopeful sign.

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    I remember where I was standing in high school in Ohio when we heard about the killings of unarmed students by the Ohio National Guard at Kent State.
    It felt very close to home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    I agree that it is a precursor, but designed to prevent another summer of "mostly peaceful protests" which destroy and harm communities.

    I'm not in favor of federalizing state national guard units unless absolutely necessary but I think that whenever the allegedly peaceful protestors feel free to throw bricks, set fires and make every effort to subvert legal actions by federal agents, someone has to step up and support order and the rule of law. I don't find it disgusting at all to do so, nor does the vast majority of our citizenry in general or the specific citizens of the protest sites.
    You are wrong. Watch what is happening now. The protests were peaceful. And, I don’t believe this action by trump supports the rule of law and order …. quite the opposite. It was not necessary or requested that the Guard be dispatched. It is an authoritarian show of power. Reminds me of Tiananmen Square… hopefully without the same result! Yes, I know that was with students but the show of power by the government is the same…. not necessary. We “lived” in a democracy. It appears our powers of speech are being driven (or trying to be) driven down. We all should be rising up to protest!

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    Quote Originally Posted by iris lilies View Post
    do you have any sense of irony at all that the article you linked shows in the first picture non-peaceful protest? I know another word for “non-peaceful “is “violent.” Multiple people are kicking and attempting harm to the vehicle. God only knows what they would do to the person inside.

    I guess this protest will be like the entirely peaceful protests during George Floyd era when everyone was good, righteous, and peaceful. I guess the burning of buildings in St. Louis and etc. were a weird anomaly. They certainly weren’t reported on widely, St. Louis stuff. I told you all how a building in my will was on the receiving end of attempted fire destruction.

    But that did not fit the favored narrative of legacy media.
    We talked about this previously. My son lives not far from there. You have no clue what actually happened there. Look back and see … not going to rehash

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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    We talked about this previously. My son lives not far from there. You have no clue what actually happened there. Look back and see … not going to rehash
    I have no idea where the “there” is you are talking about but there were George Floyd Protests in St. Louis, ya know, where *I* live.

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    I wonder what the Nation Guard can do that the state and local police can not. I suspect they are not trained. in insurrection or protest control. Making Newsom look weak probably played into Trump's decision if his history of revenge applies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frugal-one View Post
    We talked about this previously. My son lives not far from there. You have no clue what actually happened there. Look back and see … not going to rehash
    Mrs Walz gave us a first hand account of opening her windows in order to enjoy the smell of burning businesses. Was she lying?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogar View Post
    I wonder what the Nation Guard can do that the state and local police can not.
    Maybe provide a better response time when the peaceful little old ladies rush the incarceration center? Maybe provide the personnel to find and secure the stashes of bricks before they can be launched at federal employees going about their business, or perhaps carry fire extinguishers to put out the flames? There's probably more than enough to keep them busy.
    I suspect they are not trained.
    Oh, I don't know about that. A little over 50 years ago the Air Force put me through recurring riot and crowd control training. I'm sure the National Guard's MP divisions still do the same.
    Making Newsom look weak probably played into Trump's decision if his history of revenge applies.
    I doubt anyone 'makes' Newsom look weak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    Mrs Walz gave us a first hand account of opening her windows in order to enjoy the smell of burning businesses. Was she lying?
    From the good ol’ boys brought in that were hiding gasoline filled water bottles and causing malaise. People of that neighborhood were not the culprits. Hope this helps you some.

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